Now we know for sure we should not be in the Iran war.

I find it interesting that Blair is seen by some as dishonest and duplicitious by joining with the US to attack Iraq, yet he took many steps to try to justify it. ie Key actions taken to justify the war included:
The "September Dossier": Published in 2002
Presenting an "Imminent Threat":
Seeking UN Authority:
Relying on Intelligence:
Focusing on Regime Change:
Yet Starmer is derided as weak and cowardly because he did not give immediate permission for the US to use UK bases in this latest American war even though the war is clearly illegal and not justified by evidence of imminent danger to the US. It seems Labour PMs are damned if they do and damned if they don't!

Are those in the Labour and Conservative parties who supported TB and the 412 in the House of Commons who voted in favour (127 voted against) also war criminals, or is it only TB?

'what needs to be done' what for example?
Genocide?
Illegal war?
Chemical weapons?
Is there anything you would baulk at?
Anything?

Agreed nanna8!

TB is a war criminal who got away with it. He should disappear in a puff of smoke. Dreadful duplicitous man.

Oreo

Why can’t you see my point of view Cossy 🧐
Not really a question but don’t expect me to agree with you as I don’t expect you to agree with me.
I support Israel and the US to do what needs to be done in both Iran and Lebanon.

Well, in the spirit of GransNet, I respectably agree to disagree with you.

It's an illegal war. We have international laws for a reason and it's to stop big powerful countries bullying smaller less powerful ones. We may hate the regime in Iran but if we accept the US and Israel bombing Iran and Lebanon, what will we do when China invades Taiwan or the US invades Greenland? Starmer was absolutely right not to throw us into a war with the US, it was neither weakness nor indecisiveness, it was statesmanship, an understanding of International Law and why it is important.

If it's found to be true, will you support Israels use of white phosphorous in Lebanon Oreo?

Why can’t you see my point of view Cossy 🧐
Not really a question but don’t expect me to agree with you as I don’t expect you to agree with me.
I support Israel and the US to do what needs to be done in both Iran and Lebanon.

Oreo

It’s obvious LemonJam that’s all.

Tbh, •Oreo•, I’m just not sure it is obvious to many of us.

Trump has said so many things, done so many things, he is a player but worse still he’s being played.

Why on earth would anything about Trump be “obvious” ditto action in Iran. Iran certainly are not the only country “bank rolling” terrorists.

This is a war most of the world neither wants nor needs.

It’s created yet more instability in so many ways, fiscal, emotional, economic.

We (as humans) have already murdered countless people and allowed others to perish in the name of “war”.

On a personal level, all these situations sicken me, from Afghanistan, where we can pulled out suddenly following the Americans, leaving many of them, especially women, at the mercy of the Taliban, then “excused” all the deaths in Gaza, then forcing those left living into starvation, then there’s Ukraine, an invasion that Putin thought would last 5 minutes and then Trump trying to “buy” Greenland and Canada, now this!

Why can’t you see this is all madness and innocent citizens will die, along with the “bad” people.

Sorry, but it’s all wrong!

Whitewavemark2

Tony Blair has said that the U.K. should have gone into the war with the USA on day 1.

Your thread title is almost exactly the same as my own reaction when I heard this news!

Well what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander AGA.

Smileless2012

OMG chemical war fare

Oh no no no.

Iran have warned Trump to take care as he could be eliminated.
Trump will be making sure he is well protected. Has been shown to be a cowardly man.

What?? Why?? How?? When???
The Iran war is one big question mark as you point out LemonJam.
When speaking recently Trump said Iran should have been sorted out a long time ago, as if it is just a creaking gate that needs its hinges oiling. Without clarifying just what he and Netanyahu are sorting out. The regime is still there, various military sites have taken a hit but then so have innocent civilians, and so has a major oil refinery resulting in toxic smoke affecting everyone in Tehran and the surrounding area.
Meanwhile Iran is still firing on other countries in the region including Israel with missiles that apparently can penetrate the dome of iron, and the strait of Hormuz is not letting any oil supplies through so we can all expect a cost of living crisis.
However, Trump says he has won but not won enough, by which the maniac probably means he hasn’t won at all.
The biggest mistake he made was thinking this would be like Venezuela, and Netanyahu wasn’t about to say otherwise.
What an unholy bloody mess.

OMG chemical war fare

Thanks Smileless. Could have been just Facebook chatter.

Reuters

There are reports that Israel has used white phosphorous in Lebanon.

A foul war crime.

One more reason not to associate ourselves to this totally illegal war.

What an awful thing to happen to your DD's neighbour AGA.

Netanyahu et al just don't seem to understand or care about the backlash some Jews have been faced with due to Gaza and now the illegal war against Iran, because some are unable/unwilling to separate the people of Israel from the Israeli state.

Thank you for your post @ 15.08 Lemonjam. Trump doesn't appear to know what his next plan is; I wonder if Netanyahu does.

There appears to be conflicting reports on the aircraft carrier Maremia.

I hope Trump's Minders will be held to account.

Is it true that the UK aircraft carrier is no longer going into the war zone?

Thanks LemonJam. It's clear to everyone that Trump has no plan for what's next.

Whatever is obvious to Oreo 14.33 is not so obvious to others around the world. A selection of news headlines:

1) The Guardian 27 Feb "Trump is marching towards war with Iran. He hasn't bothered to make clear why"
2) The I newspaper 2 hours ago: "Trump is hopelessly confused by his own war
3) 3 hours ago- Daily mirror; "Trump said war was nearly over', , Trump now "threatens to unleash Death, Fire and Fury upon Iran as oil price fears grow".
4) Byline Times "The justification for War against Iran Has Changed From Day to Day, with No Clear End Goal or Exit Strategy".
5) BBC 'Trump's war on Iran: Shifting stories and unanswered questions".
6) Independent Monday 2 March "Trump gives conflicting goals for Iran to reporters as he warned 'the big one is coming soon' - "Trump gives vague and inconsistent information to reporters from various news outlets about the ultimate goal of the military strikes". Trump said they had "projected" 4-5 weeks but then added "we have capability to go far longer than that..." In a 40 minute press conference Trump refuted allegations the attacks were part of an effort to force regime change inciting they were "finishing a war" rather than starting another.
7) Los Angeles Times "What is Trumps' true objective in the Iran War? "
8) Washington Week PBS " Trump's rationale and objectives for Iran war remain unclear"
9) TRT World Now- 'what is the Trump administration's objective in the Iran conflict?'
10) Al Jazeera "What is Trump's end game in Iran as the US- Israel war escalates?"
11) Iran:US and Israel's Unclear War Aims Leave World Guessing".
12) Reuters " Trump's seeks to justify Iran War, but stated objectives shift."
13) The Globe and Mail "When it comes to Iran war, Trump has no clear goal or answers".
14) Los Angeles Times " What is Trump's true objective in the Iran War?"
15) The Times "What is Trump's plan for Iran? How his objectives keep changing".

'walk away from the table'
Trump not only walked away from the table, he tore up the Treaty that Iran had signed and was adhering too.
That's who walks away.

Blair can see no fault in himself. Even at the tribunal, when he had to explain his actions, he still seemed to think they had no right to question him. He made a mistake.....many people lost their lives because of him. He has no business trying to advise others.