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Reform Deputy Leader says all British tax payers should do their best to find ways to pay the minimum amount of tax possible

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LemonJam Mon 16-Mar-26 15:00:34

Use a REIT scheme- reduce their tax payments- Reform approves and TICE actively encourages this!

All Britons should do their best to pay the minimum tax possible, Reform UK’s deputy leader has argued as he dismissed The Times newspaper investigation over his own tax affairs as 'a smear'. Richard Tice, who was presenting a press conference today about Reform’s claims to have saved large sums of money in the English councils it runs (NOT), faced questions about a Sunday Times story, which detailed a scheme the paper said had helped him avoid nearly £600,000 in corporation tax.

According to the paper, Tice’s property company used a rare legal status known as a real estate investment trust, or Reit, which meant it paid NO corporation tax between 2018 and 2021 and avoided paying £580,000 o nearly £600,000 in tax as a result. Labour has urged HMRC to investigate the arrangements.

Asked whether he was right to minimise his tax payments in such a way, Tice deflected and told reporters he rejected the idea people should “pay the absolute maximum tax possible”.
Asked if he would encourage everyone in the UK to pay as little tax as legally possible, Tice replied: “Yes, of course, that’s what you should do.” Tice sought to characterise the story as an attempt by the media to argue that everyone had to pay the maximum tax possible. Tice also denied that Reit schemes were specialist or beyond the use of less rich taxpayers, saying anyone could invest in them.

In a letter to HMRC released on Sunday night, the Labour chair, Anna Turley, called for an investigation into a series of areas where, she said, it was possible that Tice and his company had abused the intentions of the Reit process, calling it “a deeply troubling case which needs to be investigated with the utmost urgency”.

flump Tue 17-Mar-26 13:08:57

There is an organisation that does believe those with a great deal of wealth should contribute to society and pay more tax.

Over 80 members belong to Patriotic Millionaires UK.

Basgetti Tue 17-Mar-26 11:42:28

We don’t have a firm, retired. Husband paid well over the years but we never had any savings vehicles. Didn’t have enough spare while the kids were at school/university 😁 just never had a problem with paying our share.

Allira Tue 17-Mar-26 11:39:01

Basgetti

Oreo

You won’t get any takers.
Everyone does what they can legally to avoid paying too much tax.
There’s legal tax avoidance and then there’s illegal tax evasion.
Wealthy people and firms have accountants to find the legal ways to do it.

We don’t. Grateful that we’re well off and perfectly content to pay as required.

So no ISAs?
If you have a firm you pay more than you need to?

Well done. I needn't chuck in my spare loose change now 😀

Basgetti Tue 17-Mar-26 11:34:48

Oreo

You won’t get any takers.
Everyone does what they can legally to avoid paying too much tax.
There’s legal tax avoidance and then there’s illegal tax evasion.
Wealthy people and firms have accountants to find the legal ways to do it.

We don’t. Grateful that we’re well off and perfectly content to pay as required.

GrannyGravy13 Tue 17-Mar-26 07:41:07

Successive governments have only fiddled round the edges regarding tax loopholes.

twaddle Tue 17-Mar-26 07:32:04

I suppose the idea is that people could give the money they save to Reform and they'll spend it just how it should be spent. Brilliant!

Maremia Tue 17-Mar-26 07:22:32

I thought Reform was supposed to be patriotic?
In what way is this patriotic?

Allsorts Tue 17-Mar-26 06:00:16

I object to where a lot of tax goes to, it's about time this country put itself first especially,m helping our young. My generation had the best of things. Rachel Reeves is useless,

mum2three Tue 17-Mar-26 05:41:48

Our taxes are supposed to go on services for the citizens of Britain....education, NHS, etc. This particular government puts other countries before us. If I were working and paying taxes, I would object strongly to this, so although it seems irresponsible, I agree with the principle.

MayBee70 Mon 16-Mar-26 23:35:56

I keep getting things pop up on utube advising me to move my business to Dubai so I don’t have to pay much tax. I assume that Tice and his girlfriend are now permanently back in London a place they deemed to be far too dangerous to live in because of Sadiq Khan.

Eloethan Mon 16-Mar-26 22:46:27

Very patriotic - much better to wave a flag.

keepingquiet Mon 16-Mar-26 21:32:38

I lose sleep at night thinking about all these poor rich people having to find ways of not paying their taxes.

Infact if I could afford it I would go for counselling. I don't know how they can bear it...

MaizieD Mon 16-Mar-26 17:24:06

Allira

^I would remind you, of course, that taxation doesn't fund spending^

So offering more to Rachel won't make much difference then?
Phew! I can relax.

Nope. If we didn't tax there would be rampant inflation.

But Rachel doesn't need your pennies before she can spend anything.

LemonJam Mon 16-Mar-26 17:18:30

Apple3pie- 👏👏👏- to pay none over a period of several years takes the biscuit. Morally wrong even if yet to be found proved illegal by HMRC.

Cossy Mon 16-Mar-26 17:03:43

Apple3pie

I find it disgusting that there are so many legal "creative" ways for wealthy individuals and corporations to avoid paying the taxes that they should. Governments always find a way to increase taxes for middle and low earners while simultaneously cutting benefits for the vulnerable. But Heaven forbid Tice and the likes pay the same percentage of tax that a doctor or a warehouse worker has to!

👏👏👏👏👏

Cossy Mon 16-Mar-26 17:01:47

keepingquiet

I intend to set up a Crowdfunding page for people who support this grifter to contribute their own funds, so he doesn't have to pay any tax at all.

😜😜 Please do, I’m sure many will pay into it, but not me, no thank you grin

Cossy Mon 16-Mar-26 16:59:46

Most of us boring old PAYE average income only peeps have little choice than to pay our correct and legal taxes.

I’m beside my self with rage as to why ANYONE would think it’s ok not to pay ALL our correct and legal taxes.

How can you expect any public services, education, NHS etc etc without contributing.

These Reform MPs and members are nothing but a bunch of absolute grifters and con artists, why would anyone listen to them!

Norah Mon 16-Mar-26 16:53:40

GrannyGravy13

Allira

GrannyGravy13

ISA’s promoted by this and previous governments are a way to not pay tax on interest/profit on one’s savings.

I did think they might increase ISA limits but no, they have reduced them for under 65s.

I thought they had only decreased cash ISA’s for the under 65’s in order to encourage investment in stocks and shares ISA’s which remains at £20,000.

I believe you're correct.

Why it was deemed necessary is unclear.

GrannyGravy13 Mon 16-Mar-26 16:42:06

Allira

GrannyGravy13

ISA’s promoted by this and previous governments are a way to not pay tax on interest/profit on one’s savings.

I did think they might increase ISA limits but no, they have reduced them for under 65s.

I thought they had only decreased cash ISA’s for the under 65’s in order to encourage investment in stocks and shares ISA’s which remains at £20,000.

Norah Mon 16-Mar-26 16:33:15

GrannyGravy13

ISA’s promoted by this and previous governments are a way to not pay tax on interest/profit on one’s savings.

ISA accounts are an easy way for people not wanting to pay taxes on savings to accomplish tax advantaged asset building. REITs can be invested in within an ISA. I'm confused and assume no problem exists.

Apple3pie Mon 16-Mar-26 16:15:04

I find it disgusting that there are so many legal "creative" ways for wealthy individuals and corporations to avoid paying the taxes that they should. Governments always find a way to increase taxes for middle and low earners while simultaneously cutting benefits for the vulnerable. But Heaven forbid Tice and the likes pay the same percentage of tax that a doctor or a warehouse worker has to!

Allira Mon 16-Mar-26 16:12:50

GrannyGravy13

ISA’s promoted by this and previous governments are a way to not pay tax on interest/profit on one’s savings.

I did think they might increase ISA limits but no, they have reduced them for under 65s.

Allira Mon 16-Mar-26 16:11:33

I would remind you, of course, that taxation doesn't fund spending

So offering more to Rachel won't make much difference then?
Phew! I can relax.

GrannyGravy13 Mon 16-Mar-26 16:09:37

ISA’s promoted by this and previous governments are a way to not pay tax on interest/profit on one’s savings.

GrannyGravy13 Mon 16-Mar-26 16:08:10

If `Richard Tice, was given wrong advice and this amount of tax is due, then of course he should resign any shadow position

Angela Rayner has remained an MP so in all fairness so should RT.