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Men in their late 70 s running countries

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nanna8 Mon 13-Apr-26 00:34:16

I am going to sound very ageist here but how is it that men like Trump and Netanyahu, very elderly and with possible health issues, are allowed to be in charge of countries and lead them into war ? They don’t get involved personally because they live in their fancy houses but they send young ones into the firing line. I think the ideal age for leaders is somewhere between 40 and 65 . These two horrors should have retired long ago. Now I will duck and run for cover …

Macaydia Mon 13-Apr-26 13:30:33

Galaxy

And not going to war is often a terrible thing to do.

I disagree with war. Imagine if at 5 years old we taught children that when they saw a classmate doing something that upset them, war is the answer.

Macaydia Mon 13-Apr-26 13:54:04

Casdon

Yes, that was exactly my thoughts too M0nica, however fit we are for our age a punishing schedule with late hours and flights etc would take it out of anybody, because sadly we no longer have the stamina. That’s why Trump has to use a buggy to get round the golf course, even though he is the bestest, most talented and wonderful golfer the world has ever seen.

And cheats !

MT62 Mon 13-Apr-26 14:01:03

Nobody seemed to bother when Biden
‘ with dementia’ was running the show!
Shameful that his wife allowed him to give those incoherent speeches.

Macaydia Mon 13-Apr-26 14:01:40

The world needs a committee elected by the non-pilitically positioned public of each nation and to agree on a business plan for moving humanity forward and a team of Auditors to fire those leaders who break rules of the order.

Galaxy Mon 13-Apr-26 14:03:58

No thanks.

Casdon Mon 13-Apr-26 14:52:38

Galaxy

No i meant I don't want people excluded who didn't look after their health. I would be extremely suspicious of people asking for that now when it didn't happen previously.

Nothing would ever improve if there was no change though, would it? Putting aside Biden and Trump, I think it is important that every country has a leader who is not suffering from dementia or a serious mental illness which impairs their judgement.

Macaydia Mon 13-Apr-26 17:51:15

Are there doctors who can actually determine if someone is a narciccist psychopathic demented maniac during an evaluation appointment? No, I dont think so. Psychopaths are the craftiest manipulators of them all and are experts at faking sanity so that wouldnt work.

I still think there needs to be a peoples committee united in the world that acts in a more definitive way then people protesting to each other (since leaders take no notice). Our government models no longer work in the name of peace. Single egos are ruining life as we know it. Laws put in place to protect us are just conveniently broken by the lunatic leaders.

Macaydia Mon 13-Apr-26 18:29:28

Galaxy

I would also say that what you do in your forties and fifties obviously impacts your later health, Trump to me has never looked like someone who has taken great care of his health, but again I don't want people excluded on those grounds. To repeat a well worn saying democracy is the worst form of government except for all the other forms of government we have tried. There will always be flaws in the system.

There will always be room for improvement

grumppa Mon 13-Apr-26 19:45:44

Perhaps the key is that there should be a mechanism for getting rid of a leaders who prove themselves unfit to govern, whether by misconduct, incompetence or mental ill health, between scheduled elections. To be fair to the Conservatives, they are quite good at this; where they so often fail is in choosing a successor.

Cumbrianmale56 Mon 13-Apr-26 20:09:13

The oldest PM we had in my lifetime was Jim Callaghan, who was 66 or 67 when he lost the 1979 election. He was still in good health and continued as an MP after he lost the election, but was physically drained by the Winter of Discontent and knew his time was up.

Macaydia Mon 13-Apr-26 20:10:10

grumppa

Perhaps the key is that there should be a mechanism for getting rid of a leaders who prove themselves unfit to govern, whether by misconduct, incompetence or mental ill health, between scheduled elections. To be fair to the Conservatives, they are quite good at this; where they so often fail is in choosing a successor.

Oh, so true, Grumpa. It always begins hopeful and then becomes more of the same. Let's hope the change in Hungary is more of NOT the same.

Galaxy Mon 13-Apr-26 20:34:10

And who would these people be who would decide whether a leader was incompetent and how would we ensure their competence.

grumppa Mon 13-Apr-26 20:39:38

In the UK, their MPs.

Galaxy Mon 13-Apr-26 20:40:45

Malaysia was talking about a ' peoples committee' to do this.

valdali Mon 13-Apr-26 20:54:00

While don't have a mechanism for removing a PM gone rogue, we do have a vote of no confidence mechanism, usually but not neccessarily called for by the Leader of the Opposition.

If someone's bad enough (eg Trump-like), their party would lose & PM asks monarch to dissolve parliament & then it's a General Election.

Casdon Mon 13-Apr-26 22:57:01

A vote of no confidence in a PM in the UK would not lead to a general election as far as I know, it would lead to a leadership contest for his replacement, unless it was a coalition government, in which case one of the parties involved could force an election by withdrawing their support.

Oreo Mon 13-Apr-26 23:21:40

Macaydia

Are there doctors who can actually determine if someone is a narciccist psychopathic demented maniac during an evaluation appointment? No, I dont think so. Psychopaths are the craftiest manipulators of them all and are experts at faking sanity so that wouldnt work.

I still think there needs to be a peoples committee united in the world that acts in a more definitive way then people protesting to each other (since leaders take no notice). Our government models no longer work in the name of peace. Single egos are ruining life as we know it. Laws put in place to protect us are just conveniently broken by the lunatic leaders.

I don’t like the sound of that.

Allira Mon 13-Apr-26 23:30:57

Are there doctors who can actually determine if someone is a narciccist psychopathic demented maniac during an evaluation appointment? No, I dont think so. Psychopaths are the craftiest manipulators of them all and are experts at faking sanity so that wouldnt work.

Well, here must be psychiatrists who can diagnose these MH illnesses otherwise we would not know about them. 🤔

Macaydia Tue 14-Apr-26 03:39:24

Yes Cossy can I be embarrased with you?

Macaydia Tue 14-Apr-26 03:42:03

Galaxy

And who would these people be who would decide whether a leader was incompetent and how would we ensure their competence.

Good point Galaxy Just who would these people be?

Macaydia Tue 14-Apr-26 04:00:48

Allira

^Are there doctors who can actually determine if someone is a narciccist psychopathic demented maniac during an evaluation appointment? No, I dont think so. Psychopaths are the craftiest manipulators of them all and are experts at faking sanity so that wouldnt work.^

Well, here must be psychiatrists who can diagnose these MH illnesses otherwise we would not know about them. 🤔

Have you forgotten about Lucy Letby ? Psychicatrists cannot help

Macaydia Tue 14-Apr-26 05:11:58

Oh M0nica. If you only knew. Each day I look forward to your postings. They are wise. Refreshing. Sheer logic and practical sense. Always making me feel better. ty

Macaydia Tue 14-Apr-26 05:16:07

Biden was hidin

Sadgrandma Tue 14-Apr-26 06:18:56

In this age of technology why can't world leaders (dictators) and their army generals sit down in a war room and be made to fight their battles through war games? That way no real lives would be lost.

DaisyAnneReturns Tue 14-Apr-26 08:48:58

Macaydia

Galaxy

And not going to war is often a terrible thing to do.

I disagree with war. Imagine if at 5 years old we taught children that when they saw a classmate doing something that upset them, war is the answer.

That's incredibly simplistic but I am glad for you that you live in the world you do.