Another appalling attack

Attacking one person for the wrongs committed by another just because they share an ethnicity or religion is unjustifiable no matter how you spin it. I am fed up with the 'of course it's wrong but..........xyz........you can see why they're angered and you have to understand'. Strange how it only ever seems to apply to attacks on Jews, we never seem to see these arguments when the attacks are on other groups. No they're condemned without a single 'but'.

Of course not. Who does but if we fail to understand all the factors possibly involved, we cannot address the problem fully.

Wyllow what caused pogroms in Russia, What caused the Holocaust? You have understanding of these ?

High time antisemitic attacks came with much harsher penalties. If that takes an act of Parliament, so be it.

I am not in denial. I don't want that war fought out on our streets.

Here's one Jewish lady for the US who's trying to work on mutual understanding. she's coming to give a talk to our women's interfaith group. Its about two women, both in Israel, and the way they gradually came to understand each other.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vsg7VTUjYLI

There are victims in the opposing communities in Israel and Palestine. Going back a long way.

If we ignore the effect world events are having in the UK and other countries, we can't see the whole picture. We can't fully address the issues. Denial isn't helpful.

Efforts to bring communities together, for me, ie interfaith, are one of the most powerful ways ahead, as well as necessary protection.

If we continue to suggest an either/or, we too are falling into the trap. We need to see also the rooted racism in our culture going back a long, long way.

Sigh....I wish there was an obvious way of protecting our Jewish communities and individuals. Yes more police etc but it doesn't take away any reasons for the heightened attacks.

One of the key features of anti semitism is an inability to see Jewish people as victims.

Bringing West Bank into this thread discussing attacks on Jews in London is an attempt to dismiss Antisemitism

I agree. It is appalling but so is the way the Palestinians have been treated by the Israelis over the years. Read about how hard life was made for them. Two wrongs most certainly don't make a right but I can see clearly how the resentment against the Israelis has built and built until it burst out in that shocking raid.

Aveline

Imagine how Palestinians in the West Bank feel. They are constantly under attack. This is what enrages attackers in Jewish communities here. It shouldn't but it does. It's a two way thing.

What an appalling thing to say.
Imagine the reaction if Muslims were being attacked on the streets and in their mosques, and their children needed protection to go to school, and then someone said, well it’s a two way thing- Hamas should not have murdered and raped Jews on October 7th.

You can take people out of a high-risk area to make them physically safe, but they will still feel unsafe due to past trauma or an underlying fear.

For many people, their need for safety is firmly fixed to their communal identity and their shared similarities.

I would hate to move myself and my family away from a community with whom I at least feel comfortable and secure.

And, just as importantly, why should I?

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2 yes, my Jewish friends are wealthy, they are in a position that they could relocate anywhere in the world (as could their children)

My point is ^why should they have to?^

Nuff said.

Whitewavemark2

If Iran is involved then that puts a whole different light on it.

Iran backed militants always claim responsibility for anything going.

Aveline

Imagine how Palestinians in the West Bank feel. They are constantly under attack. This is what enrages attackers in Jewish communities here. It shouldn't but it does. It's a two way thing.

No, it isn’t a two way thing.I think what you’re trying to say is that because hamas murdered over a thousand people and took two hundred hostages and then Israel responded by invading Gaza , antisemites here in the UK, took that as a free for all to attack and kill any Jews they came across.At least I hope that’s what you’re trying to say.

Whitewavemark2 yes, my Jewish friends are wealthy, they are in a position that they could relocate anywhere in the world (as could their children)

My point is why should they have to?

For goodness sake my post is absolutely not a non sequitur or victim blaming. It's a straight explanation as to why the situation has arisen. I'm amazed that it isn't completely obvious

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2 both my parents were only children, they stayed with their parents in London during WW11

We lived and worked in London during the IRA bombing campaign.

It’s frankly quite ridiculous to move ad hoq depending what terrorist organisation is active 🤷‍♀️

Yes, but not long ago you posted that you understood your Jewish friends wanting to move from the U.K.

What I am trying to say is that when you have a community of a particular diaspora then it is much easier to identify them. Would it not be more sensible to dilute the concentration by everyone from all faiths and none living together rather than in identifiable communities? I realise that it is as a result of history. But those reasons no longer exist. And perhaps living closely with someone of another faith or none may bring better understanding of each other.

It’s only an idea and it is an idea born out of wanting to save lives.

Genuine question here -

How does a terrorist attack differ from a racist attack?

ferry23

Aveline

Imagine how Palestinians in the West Bank feel. They are constantly under attack. This is what enrages attackers in Jewish communities here. It shouldn't but it does. It's a two way thing.

No it isn't a two way "thing".

This is about anti-semitism.

If you want to people to discuss and show their support for Palestinians start another thread.

Don't compare one man's suffering to another for entirely different reasons. Non sequitur.

Everyone agrees that antisemitism has increased since Israel invaded Gaza.

If the two are completely unrelated, why should this be?

Aveline are you victim blaming ?

Whitewavemark2 both my parents were only children, they stayed with their parents in London during WW11

We lived and worked in London during the IRA bombing campaign.

It’s frankly quite ridiculous to move ad hoq depending what terrorist organisation is active 🤷‍♀️

Aveline

Imagine how Palestinians in the West Bank feel. They are constantly under attack. This is what enrages attackers in Jewish communities here. It shouldn't but it does. It's a two way thing.

No it isn't a two way "thing".

This is about anti-semitism.

If you want to people to discuss and show their support for Palestinians start another thread.

Don't compare one man's suffering to another for entirely different reasons. Non sequitur.

If Iran is involved then that puts a whole different light on it.

Dreadful: dreadful. Nothing else but.

We need a multi-party approach, its just politicking to blame the current government alone - and absolutely helps no one at all.

I would have thought tasering was enough ,kicking gin the head wasn't necessary: and yes on the R4 6pm news it was state the attacker had a history of violence and serious MH problems. (Thats not a get out, btw, it was mentioned by WWM upthread, "it's official"). Terroist groups, if this is a group plan, will choose someone who can be easily persuaded to take the role.

BTW, a group has claimed responsibility: "Iran-linked militant group claims responsibility for Golders Green terror attack" from the I newspaper: it was on the BBC 4 new too, and report

That doesn't mean to say they did do it, but its needs to be investigated, as it could be the source of a planning group, or it could be another sick lone wolf.