Another appalling attack

Obviously that is my interpretation of the law! , but from what I can see they warned him a number of times and he refused to drop the weapon.
Anyway I shouldn't get dragged into that aspect. It is not what us important, that this happens to Jewish people on our streets is shameful.

Imagine how Palestinians in the West Bank feel. They are constantly under attack. This is what enrages attackers in Jewish communities here. It shouldn't but it does. It's a two way thing.

I agree that the pro Palestine demonstrations must be connected to growing anti- Jewish behaviour. British Jews have contributed so much to this country and always been peaceful, there’s no other reason why anyone would target them now.

My son lives very close to Golders Green. The former MP for the area, Mike Freer, felt forced to resign as he and his partner were targets of hate mail and threats.

He is not Jewish, but supported the Jewish community wholeheartedly. He was an excellent constituency MP. He's also gay.

Make of that what you will.

Hitler blamed the Jews for the outcome of WW1. The appalling and barbaric treatment of the Jewish community prior to WWII by the Nazis is a chilling reminder of the extents ignorant bigots and racists will go to in order to satisfy their twisted minds. Let alone their treatment during the conflict.

It's as if history is repeating itself. And nothing has been learnt.

Ok I will bite. People who play this game are going to get a shock if I know anything about this country. So if that's the choice put before us I stand with the Jewish community.

Why should Jewish people move away from friends, schools and workplaces due to terrorists?

rosie51 of course it is a disgraceful decision to have to make but I would do anything to protect my children.

GrannyGravy13

Why should Jewish people move away from friends, schools and workplaces due to terrorists?

They shouldn’t - of course not.

But would you stay in a high risk area if you had children?

Aveline

Imagine how Palestinians in the West Bank feel. They are constantly under attack. This is what enrages attackers in Jewish communities here. It shouldn't but it does. It's a two way thing.

I agree, with the reservation that some of the anti-semitism rearing its head now is "Tommy Robinson" type anti-semitism that has always been under the surface in a minority; & sees the criticisms of Israel as an excuse to rear its ugly head.

Could not the Jewish council help to clarify that Jewish people in Britain are not responsible for, nor neccessarily sympathetic to, the actions of the Israeli government by going public with a statement to this effect?

GrannyGravy13

Why should Jewish people move away from friends, schools and workplaces due to terrorists?

Why should anybody be forced out of their home and neighbourhood?
Driven out by fear and intimidation.

Aveline

Imagine how Palestinians in the West Bank feel. They are constantly under attack. This is what enrages attackers in Jewish communities here. It shouldn't but it does. It's a two way thing.

For goodness' sake, no Jews in the UK are responsible for what is happening in the West Bank, this is a false equivalence. Anyone who thinks venting their antisemitism on Jews in this country for what is happening in another country is just evil. I wonder what the response would be to any other ethnicity being openly targeted because people were enraged by the actions of that ethnicity elsewhere in the world?

Dreadful: dreadful. Nothing else but.

We need a multi-party approach, its just politicking to blame the current government alone - and absolutely helps no one at all.

I would have thought tasering was enough ,kicking gin the head wasn't necessary: and yes on the R4 6pm news it was state the attacker had a history of violence and serious MH problems. (Thats not a get out, btw, it was mentioned by WWM upthread, "it's official"). Terroist groups, if this is a group plan, will choose someone who can be easily persuaded to take the role.

BTW, a group has claimed responsibility: "Iran-linked militant group claims responsibility for Golders Green terror attack" from the I newspaper: it was on the BBC 4 new too, and report

That doesn't mean to say they did do it, but its needs to be investigated, as it could be the source of a planning group, or it could be another sick lone wolf.

If Iran is involved then that puts a whole different light on it.

Aveline

Imagine how Palestinians in the West Bank feel. They are constantly under attack. This is what enrages attackers in Jewish communities here. It shouldn't but it does. It's a two way thing.

No it isn't a two way "thing".

This is about anti-semitism.

If you want to people to discuss and show their support for Palestinians start another thread.

Don't compare one man's suffering to another for entirely different reasons. Non sequitur.

Whitewavemark2 both my parents were only children, they stayed with their parents in London during WW11

We lived and worked in London during the IRA bombing campaign.

It’s frankly quite ridiculous to move ad hoq depending what terrorist organisation is active 🤷‍♀️

Aveline are you victim blaming ?

ferry23

Aveline

Imagine how Palestinians in the West Bank feel. They are constantly under attack. This is what enrages attackers in Jewish communities here. It shouldn't but it does. It's a two way thing.

No it isn't a two way "thing".

This is about anti-semitism.

If you want to people to discuss and show their support for Palestinians start another thread.

Don't compare one man's suffering to another for entirely different reasons. Non sequitur.

Everyone agrees that antisemitism has increased since Israel invaded Gaza.

If the two are completely unrelated, why should this be?

Genuine question here -

How does a terrorist attack differ from a racist attack?

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2 both my parents were only children, they stayed with their parents in London during WW11

We lived and worked in London during the IRA bombing campaign.

It’s frankly quite ridiculous to move ad hoq depending what terrorist organisation is active 🤷‍♀️

Yes, but not long ago you posted that you understood your Jewish friends wanting to move from the U.K.

What I am trying to say is that when you have a community of a particular diaspora then it is much easier to identify them. Would it not be more sensible to dilute the concentration by everyone from all faiths and none living together rather than in identifiable communities? I realise that it is as a result of history. But those reasons no longer exist. And perhaps living closely with someone of another faith or none may bring better understanding of each other.

It’s only an idea and it is an idea born out of wanting to save lives.

For goodness sake my post is absolutely not a non sequitur or victim blaming. It's a straight explanation as to why the situation has arisen. I'm amazed that it isn't completely obvious

Whitewavemark2 yes, my Jewish friends are wealthy, they are in a position that they could relocate anywhere in the world (as could their children)

My point is why should they have to?

Aveline

Imagine how Palestinians in the West Bank feel. They are constantly under attack. This is what enrages attackers in Jewish communities here. It shouldn't but it does. It's a two way thing.

No, it isn’t a two way thing.I think what you’re trying to say is that because hamas murdered over a thousand people and took two hundred hostages and then Israel responded by invading Gaza , antisemites here in the UK, took that as a free for all to attack and kill any Jews they came across.At least I hope that’s what you’re trying to say.

Whitewavemark2

If Iran is involved then that puts a whole different light on it.

Iran backed militants always claim responsibility for anything going.

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2 yes, my Jewish friends are wealthy, they are in a position that they could relocate anywhere in the world (as could their children)

My point is ^why should they have to?^

Nuff said.

You can take people out of a high-risk area to make them physically safe, but they will still feel unsafe due to past trauma or an underlying fear.

For many people, their need for safety is firmly fixed to their communal identity and their shared similarities.

I would hate to move myself and my family away from a community with whom I at least feel comfortable and secure.

And, just as importantly, why should I?