Revolving door politics

It is very convenient to blame the media for briefing against a party, with the rather insulting insinuation that voters cannot observe and make their own decisions. Creditable new is available round the clock now; some of the comments posted on here from dubious sources are risible but clearly believed by some.That is freedom of speech.
the LP is described in entirely derogatory terms: ask renters? Ask the families benefitting from breakfast clubs, the GP's who got a big grant last year Ask the workers and taxpayers who are supplying the money which pays for these 'extras', breakfast clubs, free school meals, childcare, but not allowed to benefit from them. This is where dissension is coming from. Doctors' waiting lists are not reducing because doctors are able to work fewer hours for the same money.

fancythat

I am probably out of sync with a lot of people on this one, but I dont see the problem if Leaders come and go.
More democracy that way.

But this happening whilst in government totally destabilises things, I think more loyalty within parties in power should be more important.

TerriBull

I didn't vote for Labour, but I really hope Starmer doesn't go, better the devil you know are my thoughts. I think he's been disappointing apart from when he stood up to Trump. Rachel Reeves has been a positively awful Chancellor imo, she's reeked havoc on business and the effects of which are catastrophic.

Starmer’s loyalty to her hasn’t helped him one iota.

Fallingstar

Today it seems Starmer could resign as PM, but what does this say about our national politics in the past decade, when PMs on both sides of the political divide have come and gone with tedious regularity?
Have we grown out of one party politics?
Is it it time to embrace coalition politics?
Is social media/populous views responsible for revolving doors politics??
I wanted Starmer to go but am now considering this more deeply and think it could be more harmful than good. Surely our PMs cannot be subject to a lynching mob whenever the going gets tough. If a party wins an election shouldn’t that mean they see out a full term?

I’d love to see a coalition govt, some think in worked well in NZ until the economic situation didn’t go so well.

On a personal level, I’d only support a coalition if Lab/Lib/Green were involved, I do support The Green Party, but I’m coming around to the fact that they do require a new leader.

I remember the excuses about Boris, it was all his enemies blah blah that brought him down and the media.
No it wasn’t, it was his own actions and decisions.

MT62

I think that,‘ better the devil you know’.
It depends on what damage him & RR do between now & the next election.
Then hopefully Labour will be gone.

That’s it, damage limitation is needed right now.

Oreo

It’s just excuses….

Wrong chap! Farage is the master of excuses.

It’s just excuses….

Oreo

If he had been any good then media noise wouldn’t matter.

Of course it would! You underestimate the power of the media.

westendgirl

Oreo, the media attack stuff is not nonsense. It started from the moment Starmer became P.M.. There has been constant negative reporting , all reflected on this site .

I agree. I don't think I've ever seen anything quite like it. It started immediately and it was viscious.

If he had been any good then media noise wouldn’t matter.

westendgirl

Oreo, the media attack stuff is not nonsense. It started from the moment Starmer became P.M.. There has been constant negative reporting , all reflected on this site .

So you think that right wing noises off is making his MP’s and some of the Cabinet to demand his resignation?Really??

Oreo

It isn’t about instant success Wyllow3 it’s about constant poor decisions and policies and u turns from a weak leader and a hopeless Chancellor as well.
All this right wing media attacks stuff is nonsense it’s coming from Labour MP’s, those in the Cabinet and Labour voters.
If something is not working properly you don’t call for more years of it, you cut your losses.

It isn't nonsense. There has always been dissent within the Labour Party because it's essentially a coalition of different approaches, but he smearing is coming from the right wing media. The attacks now from within the political party are because some of them are watching their own backs.

Oreo, the media attack stuff is not nonsense. It started from the moment Starmer became P.M.. There has been constant negative reporting , all reflected on this site .

I agree with JenniferEccles. There is nobody suitable waiting in the wings if Starmer goes now.

It isn’t about instant success Wyllow3 it’s about constant poor decisions and policies and u turns from a weak leader and a hopeless Chancellor as well.
All this right wing media attacks stuff is nonsense it’s coming from Labour MP’s, those in the Cabinet and Labour voters.
If something is not working properly you don’t call for more years of it, you cut your losses.

On balance I feel Starmer is the ‘least worst’ of other potential replacements.
Until we have a general election to get rid of this dreadful government, I think he should stay.

Fallingstar

Today it seems Starmer could resign as PM, but what does this say about our national politics in the past decade, when PMs on both sides of the political divide have come and gone with tedious regularity?
Have we grown out of one party politics?
Is it it time to embrace coalition politics?
Is social media/populous views responsible for revolving doors politics??
I wanted Starmer to go but am now considering this more deeply and think it could be more harmful than good. Surely our PMs cannot be subject to a lynching mob whenever the going gets tough. If a party wins an election shouldn’t that mean they see out a full term?

The Party will see out their term in power even if they change their PM.
You don’t keep a disaster going if you can help it!
Both Starmer and Reeves should go.

A more fundamental problem is the poor quality of the political class of all parties in the Commons compared with previous generations.

I think amongst the group there are very clear ideas of who they want, My MP is one that signed the 70. I've pretty clear idea of who she wants and it's most certainly not Angela Raynor!

You can check to see if your LP MP has here:
www.thenational.scot/politics/26096094.full-list-labour-mps-whove-called-keir-starmer-quit/

In general - not, I think the last 2 years are not that bad, it's been seen through a lens of right wing media and attacks.

The many small things that have been done appear in here when people like WWM and others - me on the Rental Bill protecting renters - bring them to light, then they are "disappeared" rapidly.

Just above here up thread the LP is described in entirely derogatory terms: ask renters? Ask the families benefitting from breakfast clubs, the GP's who got a big grant last year

(yes, you've forgotten that, some of you, in the rush the blacken all with a Daily Mail brush?)

Well, one alternative to our system is of course Proportional Representation, but that doesn't automatically guarantee continuity and stability at all at the top at all;

it depends on the balance of parties and how big the majority, we'll see how it works out in Scotland. The Angela Merkel's of this world - she was in power in Germany for 16 years - are rare under PR.

Almost certainly the onset of SM has been part of the change, people want
Instant!
Now!
No good, its isnt done right now!
Therefore sack them change them..

But real politics needs continuity. We are in the middle of a war crisis, incase folks have forgotton. Starmer has been steady on this and I disagree with my MP that it's time to change atm. Until I hear more, and why, and "who" (tho I have an idea its Burnham)

I think that,‘ better the devil you know’.
It depends on what damage him & RR do between now & the next election.
Then hopefully Labour will be gone.

I do agree Fallingstar, a massive upheaval and more political turmoil. I also see a lot of blatant opportunism in going in for the kill, positive hyenas whilst not seeing a worthy successor.

fancythat

I am probably out of sync with a lot of people on this one, but I dont see the problem if Leaders come and go.
More democracy that way.

I don’t see it as more democracy but more political turmoil and shenanigans with members of a party revealed as simply careerist politicians ready to stick the knife in. Is horrible.

TerriBull

I didn't vote for Labour, but I really hope Starmer doesn't go, better the devil you know are my thoughts. I think he's been disappointing apart from when he stood up to Trump. Rachel Reeves has been a positively awful Chancellor imo, she's reeked havoc on business and the effects of which are catastrophic.

I agree absolutely. I hate to think of who will replace Starmer as there's just no-one I recognise as PM material. I'm terrified to think of that idiot Lammy or the drunken Rayner being considered. How has it come to this?

Rewind a couple of years and I remember the euphoria on this site when Labour were elected. There was such delight that the Tories had been thrown out. I remember posting a comment warning that under Labour things were about to get much worse. I was raining on their parade! But I stand by my words, which I think have come true as I just knew they would. Labour has always messed things up and they always will. Just look at them. There is no hope with people like that.

I am probably out of sync with a lot of people on this one, but I dont see the problem if Leaders come and go.
More democracy that way.