Preston Davey, another baby P.

This made me want to cry. Babies are so vulnerable and dependant and also most people find them loveable.

I can't help wondering if these two men were paedophiles of a particularly vicious and depraved kind as well as being homosexuals.

I don't agree that same sex couples shouldn't be allowed to adopt as I know three such families and all the children are happy, loved and well cared for.

I think thorough pre-adoption vetting should be carried out in all cases.

I have had relationships with women in my past. I actually find the unwillingness to talk about this issue as deeply problematic and more likely to cause problems for lgb people.
One of the greatest risks to a child is the presence of non biologically related men in the house. This applies to stepfathers/ male partners. So not actually a sexuality issue, but just complicated by the fact that in this type of partnership there are two men.
I think digging down into the statistics would probably be helpful but unlikely to happen.

Galaxy

I have had relationships with women in my past. I actually find the unwillingness to talk about this issue as deeply problematic and more likely to cause problems for lgb people.
One of the greatest risks to a child is the presence of non biologically related men in the house. This applies to stepfathers/ male partners. So not actually a sexuality issue, but just complicated by the fact that in this type of partnership there are two men.
I think digging down into the statistics would probably be helpful but unlikely to happen.

But in any adoption by a heterosexual couple there is a non-biologically related male. I’m not sure where that takes the discussion. The statistics needed would be of all adoptions over a given period, how many of the children were murdered, sexually and/or otherwise abused and then that correlated with same sex/ different sex couples. I actually wonder if the figures would be sufficiently large to be statistically significant. But I still think it’s wrong to make sweeping generalisations about same sex adoptions .

That beautiful baby had one of the most gorgeous smiley faces. To think he must have been unhappy and in pain in his short final months, like so many other innocent little souls is heartbreaking.

Tuliptree

As unspeakably dreadful as this case is, it’s wrong to use it to fuel homophobia when there is no evidence that gay couples are more likely to murder and sexually abuse their adopted children. In 2023 ( last year I could find figures) there were about 3000 adoptions , 1 in 5 of which were by same sex couples. 370 were adopted by male couples and 230 by female couples.. Of course this case must and will be investigated further but I think some of the comments about same sex adopters prejudiced and homophobic .

You think what you like and I’ll think what I like.

Primrose - of course.We’ve both set out what we think. I thought that was how discussion went.

Primrose, I know of a case where the adoptee boy requested a home with only women as he had had bad experiences with men in his birth family.
He chose a lesbian couple, and flourished .

I have only just read about it in The Times.. Poor little chap, how can anyone do that to a little baby? It's beyond anyone's comprehension.
Heartbreaking..

They deserve everything that will happen to them in the future, hopefully it will be painful.

It is very complicated, I think in terms of safeguarding it is important to not shy away from things particularly when we have created these situations.
Lots of people on here will have experienced divorce, remarriage, or experienced their children divorcing, getting remarried. My comments about step parents etc may upset them but that doesn't make these statements any less true. And it isnt a comment on the rights and wrongs of divorce or step parents, it is about what safeguards we put in place for children.