Should care workers be banned from using mobile phones following 3 yr old being thrown in crocodile pit by man with severe learning difficulties

Yes I agree with that too.

The whole appalling event is the stuff of nightmares. Not only were the "carers" possibly ignoring what their charge could do to others , but also, in a crocodile enclosure, whst he could do to himself or the animals.

If it can be shown by CCTV or phone records at that time that they were neglecting their charge, then they must be held criminally culpable. They may be paid only minimum wage and the job is probably not respected as it should be or sufficient training given, but on that day caring for him was their job.

I do hope the little boy makes a full recovery. There is obviously so much information to be gathered.

Grandmafrench you don't know anything about his condition or what the carers were supposed to be doing. He might have been a known danger and the carers expected to closely supervise or he might never have done anything remotely concerning and the carers expected to keep an eye on him and let him have some independence.

Really unfair to jump to condemning people when you have no idea of all the ins and outs of the situation.

Galaxy

I think blaming anyone particularly the parents before we know the details is not appropriate.

I agree but I also think we are powerless to call out support workers to their employers as they don't seem to care but I think this is a case of people with LDs are often invisible until they aren't

Please don't be frightened of people with LDs either, my own dd works now for two charities on a weekly basis, with support. She was just existing in the wrong setting (which should have been her home) under the wrong care providers. If she didn't have a family to advocate for her, I think she would have died last year as it was only when she moved to her new residential home they realised she had a serious health condition

I think blaming anyone particularly the parents before we know the details is not appropriate.

... wait and see what the outcome of the enquiry.

I agree.

I have only seen the police and some non-speculative news reports but it occurs to me that if any 30-year-old man can approach a small child, pick him up and thrown him into a crocodile enclose then:

a) the enclosure needs better fencing and

b) the child’s parents weren’t paying full attention either.

Looking at the photo it strikes me that someone holding a small child who wriggles out of their grasp could fall in or even, at a pinch, wriggled under the fencing.

I really don’t think that care in the community is being implemented properly

neither do I

I have a lovely young adult child with SLD/autism and other complex needs. She should never have been put in supported living

She ended up being described as 'aggressive' and 'violent' by all professionals involved

She was frightened. She was frightened she wasn't being listened to and that her needs were not being met (and it turned out she had a really painful medical condition that hadn't been picked up on)

I can only tell you what I am comfortable to tell you but these care packages are sold are being empowering for those they support and I am not saying this care model doesn't work, as it must work for a lot of people but for my own child an 'old fashioned' care model works better (which costs more money)

People with LDs don't need to be locked away, not allowed out in public etc but please be aware that decisions made about people with complex and/or severe learning disabilities are a cost saving exercise and two untrained/uninterested carers saves your local authority and in this case has let everyone down

It's simply a mattet of making conversation with the person you're supporting.
Not difficult, no special training, just talk to them!!!

Other innocent people are suffering as a result of ‘care in the community’. It’s not acceptable.

I have a young autistic man living in the house opposite to me. I had to complain about the fact that when I work on my front garden he would sometimes be shouting across to me. To be fair to them he wasn’t allowed in the front garden after that. He threw a heavy metal object into his neighbours garden but thankfully it missed where they were sitting. His back garden backs onto a public footpath and they’ve had to put up a six foot fence to stop him shouting at walkers which has obscured what was a lovely view across the fields . I sometimes see him having melt downs in the street when his carers take him out. The house he moved into needed complete renovation when the previous tenants moved out but he moved in without any work being done so I dread to think what state it’s in. I feel so sorry for that poor child that has been injured and for the people who run the zoo. I really don’t think that care in the community is being implemented properly.

theworriedwell

We don't know what they were doing. I think we need to wait for the case to be investigated.

This, wait and see what the outcome of the enquiry.

the caraers need to have phones with them so that they can rng for help if there is an emergency.

There should be a disciplinary procedure for them to use them for any other purpose.

theworriedwell

We don't know what they were doing. I think we need to wait for the case to be investigated.

Witnesses saw the support workers sitting well away from the man with LD and reported they were messing about on their phones. He was left to his own devices.

I have a friend who has an adult daughter with Down’s syndrome. She has had various PA’s over the years and she always insists at interviews that they agree to give her daughter their full support at all times and they are not allowed to use their phones during work hours unless in an emergency.

We see them around from time to time. I don’t see them interacting with their charges but if they can’t or don’t communicate then how can they. I do wonder whether the old ways were better when individuals like these were safely in a home somewhere and the public were safer as a result.

Most of the carers we see are other nationals who are probably on a low wage. It can’t be a particularly rewarding job if we are being honest. The phone is a bit of light relief.

Nevertheless this should never have happened. Just like that poor boy at the Tate gallery.

theworriedwell

We don't know what they were doing. I think we need to wait for the case to be investigated.

What they weren’t doing was a proper job. Had that been the case (and there was more than one carer) that poor little soul would not have sustained such injury nor his family total horror. Something similar happened at Tate Modern when carers failed to prevent a French child being thrown from a huge height! People need to be rigorously assessed prior to employment and regularly monitored if they are to undertake such responsibility and keep members of the public of all ages safe.

We have a special school in the next village. I’m a frequent driver there - dogs and grandchildren duties. The children and young people have significant physical and psychological needs. Some of them have three carers walking with them, in the village or round our reservoir.
Homestly, I’ve never seen inattentive on their phone workers

Not so if I go to our shopping mall. Carers doing their own shopping, talking to each other, ignoring their charge (who is often in wheelchair)

A resounding YES from me .

When i was working in care i was thoroughly fed up with colleagues being constantly on their phones.
Its dangerous, ignorant, unnecessary, and not fair on people who actually are concentrating on the job.

Really lovely to hear what you are like as a carer Shinamae. And I absolutely agree that it should be known as a professional role with salaries that reflect that.

I haven't heard if that happened. I hope it didn't. But I do deeply worry if full risk assessments are done on those with severe learning difficulties and or mental health problems. I've seen some very attentive carers in my local community and some not so.

Most of you know I’m a carer and I work in a high dementia care home
Before that, I did work with people with learning disabilities and I remember I took one lady to a hospital appointmentand a member of staff came over to me and she said you’re the first person I’ve seen who actually talks to the person they’re supporting
And I see now regularly on the bus a man who’s obviously got learning difficulties and his carer doesn’t say a word to him on the journey, It’s very sad……
Most Care work is very poorly paid. I’ve been in care now over 20 years and I’ve always been on minimum wage but I’m lucky because I really enjoy my job but with so few jobs around people take what they can get. I see really young people doing support Work and I wouldn’t have dreamt of doing that when I was there Age but when I was looking for work, there were plenty of jobs around in fact you could leave a job one day and be starting on a new job the next day and I actually did that I was working in the chemist and a man came in and asked me for French letters (I was 15. and very naive, about the only time I was)of course I didn’t know what that was. I was only 15 Mrs Parsley who was another assistant came out and said it was okay Gail I’ll take care of that so lunchtime came and I went up to Woolworths and I started in Woolworths the following week no CV no references nothing at all.
It’s no excuse I know, but it is a fact and I really think caring should be a profession and not looked on as a lowly career because that’s how it is looked at by many people…😬

I think mobile phones can be a modern day curse and I don't think there is any justification for looking at them during working time whether your job is looking after children or anything else.

I appreciate that having a mobile brings countless benefits which is why so many people have them and are glued to them. The down side is that people become hooked on constantly looking at their phones to the exclusion of being aware of what is going on around them.

This is yet another tragic incident that could have be avoided.

they weren't meeting his needs if he was able to pick up and throw a small child who was with his family into a crocodile enclosure

I agree

We don't know what they were doing. I think we need to wait for the case to be investigated.