Where’s Nigel?

Exactly.....

I'm not going to go and look it up again because it was discussed at the time. The police report of the alleged firebombing of one his homes said it was an attempted break-in where nothing was taken and made no mention of firebombing or fire damage.

The most Farage can ever prove (and mentions often) is the milkshake incident when he was with Posh George and surrounded by bodyguards who failed to stop it. It could have happened to any public figure. It was over two years ago.

He keep banging on about the establishment being out to get him but he is the establishment. Privately-educated, lucrative job in the City the ncareer politician and a multi-millionaire with multiple homes.

He hasn’t made his money through business in which he has employed people but through the political gravy train, cheap media work, private donors and the non-dom billionaire-owned right wing media which backs him.

He must think we are all stupid to fall for his circus act.

Graphite

I'm not going to go and look it up again because it was discussed at the time. The police report of the alleged firebombing of one his homes said it was an attempted break-in where nothing was taken and made no mention of firebombing or fire damage.

The most Farage can ever prove (and mentions often) is the milkshake incident when he was with Posh George and surrounded by bodyguards who failed to stop it. It could have happened to any public figure. It was over two years ago.

He keep banging on about the establishment being out to get him but he is the establishment. Privately-educated, lucrative job in the City the ncareer politician and a multi-millionaire with multiple homes.

He hasn’t made his money through business in which he has employed people but through the political gravy train, cheap media work, private donors and the non-dom billionaire-owned right wing media which backs him.

He must think we are all stupid to fall for his circus act.

Many many people will/do fall for his rhetoric, for many varying reasons, but mainly I believe it’s because there are so many people disenchanted with our politics, they trust Farage, they truly think he’s anti-establishment, , they believe what he says.

Critical thinkers will say, what’s he done for Clacton? What’s he done for British Politics? What did Britain truly gain from Brexit?

Farage does, and always has done, exploit people’s deepest darkest fears and uses them to really dig deep into their souls and it’s almost cult-like.

I wonder where and when all these divisive politics will end.

This country doesn’t need Reform and Restore. It needs those stable sensible parties to pull together, to bring together all our communities and to have strong government and strong opposition.

The only thing Farage said, with which I strongly agree, is that we need more than just career politicians, we need some of our MPs to have finance experience, some others just to have had a variety of careers before entering politics. Farage isn’t MP who meets this criteria ironically, his career hasn’t built employment for others, it’s benefited Farage and only Farage.

Sad times!

Farage is public school educated but chose not to go to University. He had some years working as a commodities and metals trader. In 1993 he co founded UKIP, became an MEP in 1999 until 2020, launched the Brexit party in 2019 and expanded his career into broadcasting most notably for GB news and went on Im a celebrity get me out of here. He tried 7 or 8 times to be elected as an MP and finally succeeded in 2024.

He's never stopped being in politics ( albeit branched out to broadcasting/celebrity media sphere alongside) and has been a career politician since 1993. His claims today he was out of politics at the time of £5million gift doesn't stand up to scrutiny and was in the 12 months before elected as MP anyway. He knows the rules. He was silent on the issue of Cottrell- of course!

My goodness the knives are out on here!!

Graphite - "He could win Clacton again but, you know, in 2024 more people didn’t want him as their MP than did"

By the same reasoning Labour only got 33.7% of the total vote in the GE in 2024 - therefore more people din't want a labour government than did

Both things can be true you know!

sundowngirl

My goodness the knives are out on here!!

Graphite - "He could win Clacton again but, you know, in 2024 more people didn’t want him as their MP than did"

By the same reasoning Labour only got 33.7% of the total vote in the GE in 2024 - therefore more people din't want a labour government than did

Your rationale is as clear, correct and your opinion as permissible as Graphite's.

Farage chose to do his public statement as he did and chose not to make himself available for any questions.

As far as I can see posts to date have been as rational, correct and permissible as yours above.

How is stating a fact, knives out?

In 2010, (Clacton was a new seat) Douglas Carswell won for the Tories on 53%.

In 2014, after Douglas Carswell defected to UKiP, he was re-elected on 59%.

In 2015, Douglas Carswell was re-elected on 44%, with Giles Watling for the Tories on 37%

In 2019, Giles Watling won for the Tories on 72%.

In 2024, Farage won for Reform on 49% from Giles Watling on 28%.

It would only take for Labour, Lib Dems and others to not contest the by-election and/or for Restore to split the hard right vote and Farage could lose to a good Tory candidate. Perhaps Watling will try again although at 73 probably not.

In 2024, Farage won a similar vote share to Starmer and Sunak. Only Davey and Denyer won more than 50% of the vote in their constituencies.

The point I am trying to make is that Farage isn’t a shoo-in to win again especially when he has been largely absent from his constituency for two years.

Yes, Labour won on a relatively small share of the vote in 2024 because Reform split the vote on the right. Reform put Labour in power with a massive majority. That’s how FPTP works in our multi-party system. The majority of people don’t want the party which wins the most seats and why we need PR. Hopefully Burnham will do something about that before 2029.

Graphite - I didn't accuse you personally of having knives out, but there have been some pretty nasty comments on this thread

I think it unlikely that Burnham will change the FPTP when his party is unlikely to have the majority they now have. Turkeys and Christmas spring to mind

That makes no sense. It is precisely why a party that thinks its House of Commons majority would be diminished under FPTP would want PR - so that it has a chance of having some seats e.g. how the D’Hondt system works. Parties win seats in proportion to the votes won and are effectively forced into working cross-party. In the Welsh Senedd, it’s virtually impossible for a party to win an outright majority.

IMO Farage wants to lose because there is no much more to come out about his financial connections If he's nothing to hide he would say, let them investigate, I'm an innocent man, doing the job I have been elected to do. He's seriously rattled and l think he wants out!

I dont think he wants out.
Not yet anyway.

Quite far from it I am now thinking.

The point I am trying to make is that Farage isn’t a shoo-in to win again especially when he has been largely absent from his constituency for two years.

Well he has a better chance now that two Parties are not going to put up candidates against him.

fancythat

^The point I am trying to make is that Farage isn’t a shoo-in to win again especially when he has been largely absent from his constituency for two years.^

Well he has a better chance now that two Parties are not going to put up candidates against him.

This time. They will stand against him if he is suspended as a result of the parliamentary investigation. Kemi Badenoch called that the real by election.

Moot point if he does manage to dodge things.

I assume the other parties are very confident that that isn’t going to happen, otherwise they would grab the opportunity to fight an election now.

The point I am trying to make is that Farage isn’t a shoo-in to win again especially when he has been largely absent from his constituency for two years

Well if nobody stands against him, as they have intimated, he is. .

Hmmmm
even if it did go ahead

he would look a complete fool on the platform when they "count"

with Lord Binface.

A stunning victory there.

(one does wonder what would happen if Restore stand and campaign hard tho)

Labour, Tories, Lib Dems, Greens and Restore - all out. The Fellowship of the Bins.

This could fail spectacularly for Clacton’s Nigel Mirage aka FauxRage and make Reform the laughing stock they deserve to be.

The House of Commons could refuse to allow the by-election anyway … or before that Rachel Reeves could refuse to accept his “resignation”. As he is trying to evade Parliamentary scrutiny they can be as awkward as they like.

MawsRosie

^The point I am trying to make is that Farage isn’t a shoo-in to win again especially when he has been largely absent from his constituency for two years^

Well if nobody stands against him, as they have intimated, he is. .

It really doesn’t matter if he is a shoo in. He won’t be able to crow about ‘beating the ‘establishment’, which is what he initially billed this stunt as. Beating Count Binface wouldn’t be anything to boast about. In fact, Binface might beat him if the 52% of voters who didn’t vote for Farage in 2024 got organised…
Though I think the Monster Raving Loony lot might run too, and possibly others of the same ilk, thus turning his grand gesture into a farce…

As his actual role as leader of a tiny party in Parliament gives him no influence at all over government policy and legislation I don’t think it matters if he’s there or not.

Remember the fuss Farage made when Coutts refused his custom.

Well, the Guardian has reported that Farage was reported to the NCA for potential money laundering, by various banks.

All becoming a little clearer now.

I think that in the same way that Boaty McBoatface won a vote not long ago I think Count Binface might well win.
...at least he has achievable commitments - e.g. at least one new home.

Wyllow3

Hmmmm
even if it did go ahead

he would look a complete fool on the platform when they "count"

with Lord Binface.

A stunning victory there.

(one does wonder what would happen if Restore stand and campaign hard tho)

The good people of Clacton may come out in force and vote for Count Binface, as happened in Ukraine 😁

Whitewavemark2

Remember the fuss Farage made when Coutts refused his custom.

Well, the Guardian has reported that Farage was reported to the NCA for potential money laundering, by various banks.

All becoming a little clearer now.

I read that yesterday also. Banks trigger SAR reports for NCA investigation if politicians etc receive such large sums like the £5million sum Farage received, particularly if from abroad and particularly if that person, ie Harborne, triggers SAR reports himself.

The beauty of the SAR trigger is it is timed and dated on bank. account receipt. The dots are beginning to join.....

Farage's by election circus will not stop more facts emerging or stop these necessary investigations much was though he hopes he might get ahead of the curve

Nadhim Zahawi, that well known ex Tory chancellor says Farage faces a deep state conspiracy. Well he would say that wouldn't he, as he tried to cheat the tax man. It's straight out of the Trump playbook and has as much truth in it as Trump's tweets on Truth Social. Absolutely none!