Govt announces Ukrainian style scheme to bring thousands more migrants to UK

MT62

I would say they are just blinking hypocrites.

Grey fur

I would say they are just blinking hypocrites.

Erm I think you are wrong GF, I know at least three veterans that have bad mental health problems. All alcoholics & beg as they are homeless due to their problems.

Wyllow3

I have more individual stories but I'll shut up in the face of those who just won't see! Of course there are some arriving as economic migrants who need to be sent home, but OTOH we need some of them as reality hits our own people not working in various sectors as they are so badly paid and our birth rate. How many of us can be grateful of some incomer who has gone the extra mile for us in hospital?
I recall well an ambulance driver from a West African country (it was on the Channel 5 reality "999" who was so kind to elderly people he visited who lived alone and was sad our culture could leave out elders alone in that state? What makes us so superior?

Yes there are plenty of genuine nice people amongst the many hundreds of thousands coming into the country.
But really how many more can we keep taking in?
Our own culture is fast becoming eroded.
Happy holiday instead of merry Christmas! It’s just not on!

Galaxy

They have been raising concerns for at least a decade, probably more.

So have people in other countries. We have world problems. Ours is a far from an isolated issue.

They have been raising concerns for at least a decade, probably more.

That is true DaisyAnneReturns. People expect instant solutions to exceptionally complex situations, aka the impossible.

I don't think it's true that no one is listening or working on these problems. Plenty of people are; they just don't make headlines because the work is slow, incremental and often unspectacular. Those who promise quick, simple answers tend to attract far more attention, even when their solutions don't stand up to scrutiny.

And if no one listens or tries to offer lasting solutions or offers them too late, then it isn't surprising when people look elsewhere.

Galaxy

It is quite difficult if there are groups of predominantly men some of whom behave violently for people to decide which ones might be safe.
I think the mods did morph into the skinheads later on, they were I think originally peaceful but then split into the not so peaceful and quite racist in some cases.

It is difficult. Equally difficult, perhaps, is recognising that those who turn up the volume, persuading people they alone understand these issues, rarely bring order. Fear may win attention, but it is a poor foundation for lasting solutions.

Except they were born and bred here we didn’t import them

It is quite difficult if there are groups of predominantly men some of whom behave violently for people to decide which ones might be safe.
I think the mods did morph into the skinheads later on, they were I think originally peaceful but then split into the not so peaceful and quite racist in some cases.

Galaxy

So they were violent and that made people afraid, I am not sure how that helps.

Because the violent clashes in Brighton during the Whitsun bank holiday of May 1964 were carried out by a small minority of the young people present.

Out of an estimated 1,000 to 1,500 youths who traveled to the seaside, only a fraction actively fought, while the vast majority were simply ordinary teenagers enjoying their day off. (BBC)

The media's sensationalist coverage of this minority created a massive "moral panic" that unfairly demonized an entire generation. (Wikipedia)

Nothing changes and we would have heard much the same comments from much the same groups as we do now.

Didn't the mods eventually morph into the skinheads movement.

So they were violent and that made people afraid, I am not sure how that helps.

I googled the question, were people frightened by groups of mods and rockers"

read the answers carefully - they bear an uncanny resemblance to what some posters have said how they feel about their experiences with different cultures and exactly same reasons.

"Yes, many people were genuinely frightened by large groups of mods and rockers. For middle-class Britons accustomed to post-war peace and quiet, the sudden emergence of massive, loud, and visibly aggressive youth tribes—clashing on beaches and intimidating locals—caused widespread alarm and a national.The fear and public reaction were driven by several key factors:

Sensationalised Media Coverage The media capitalised on the clashes (particularly during the 1964 Whitsun Bank Holiday at coastal towns like Brighton and Margate) to create a nationwide "moral panic". Tabloids frequently published screaming headlines like "Battle of Brighton" and referred to the teenagers as vermin or mutated locusts

and worse for violence!

Visible Violence While actual property damage was relatively low, the physical confrontations were incredibly real for those caught in the middle. Large crowds of up to 1,000 youths engaged in running battles, overturning scooters, throwing deck chairs and pebbles, and forcing terrified families off the beach

Disrupting the Status Quo These were the first generation of teenagers with their own disposable income and freedom of movement. Older generations feared the perceived disintegration of traditional British character as young people took over town centres, engaged in heavy drinking, and ignored authority.

Exaggerated Reality Decades later, historians and participants noted that the press sometimes amplified the fear. Tabloids exaggerated the danger by staging photos or turning isolated skirmishes into evidence of all-out gang warfare. Many locals who lived in these coastal towns at the time later reported that the events felt heavily overblown by the national press.

The Disintegration of National Character The media framed the subcultures as a threat to traditional British law, order, and morality.

Further research shows the moral panics that developed around attacks on girls and women emerged during the 70's and 80's and related not to other cultures but within Brit white culture.

Any large group of young men can feel intimidating whoever they are.

GrannyGravy13

Wyllow3

I hear you but I just dont feel under threat. It feels to me like "an addition to" not something taken away.
I know this is a commonplace thing to say, but we are after all an island of waves of immigrants initially. Times change: what are folks afraid of losing ?

We talk about British decency and so on, but goodness me, the rates of abuse to women and children? The cities smeared with graffiti? Home grown, home grown.

I don’t feel under threat in my day to day life, our friends are from different countries and religions.

I do feel uncomfortable when driving/travelling through parts of London and other major towns and cities.

I do feel uncomfortable at times in our county town, with large groups of young male asylum seekers bussed in and just hanging around in large groups.

It's interesting how the feeling of being 'uncomfortable' often gets explained by the presence of whichever group is most visible or politically contentious at the time.

MT62

Yes a worry if they don’t know what they are doing, but I suppose first Labour Party members would have been like that in the beginning.

"I suppose" is an accurate summary of the fact-finding in the recent posts.

In 1906, the Labour Representation Committee officially adopted the name Labour Party, and 29 MPs were elected, forming the first Parliamentary Labour Party under that name. Among them were:

Keir Hardie
Ramsay MacDonald
Arthur Henderson
Philip Snowden
James Henry Thomas (commonly known as J. H. Thomas) was not among the original 29 but entered Parliament shortly afterwards.

Yes a worry if they don’t know what they are doing, but I suppose first Labour Party members would have been like that in the beginning.

You can't see the link as the SM site used - or the person posting, who is a Reform Councillor in Nottinghamshire, is monitored by "SafeSearch" and thus won't open easily.

The chap hasn't a clue about what he is doing 🤣
www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAgJugRZ8OE

Wyllow3

I hear you but I just dont feel under threat. It feels to me like "an addition to" not something taken away.
I know this is a commonplace thing to say, but we are after all an island of waves of immigrants initially. Times change: what are folks afraid of losing ?

We talk about British decency and so on, but goodness me, the rates of abuse to women and children? The cities smeared with graffiti? Home grown, home grown.

I don’t feel under threat in my day to day life, our friends are from different countries and religions.

I do feel uncomfortable when driving/travelling through parts of London and other major towns and cities.

I do feel uncomfortable at times in our county town, with large groups of young male asylum seekers bussed in and just hanging around in large groups.

greyfur

Primrose53

greyfur

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MT62

These politicians probably have big homes, plenty of bedrooms.
Since they want all these migrants, & refugees, I think they should accommodate them in their homes.
I am all for charity starts at home.
Our own homeless want sorting out as it’s becoming a disgrace.

MT62

Have you seen the “Stand Up to Racism” group have launched a petition against 1,250 asylum seekers being housed near them in Bicester, Oxfordshire?

Refugees Welcome but not in our back yard hey? 🤣

Seems rather odd behaviour from this group. What is their motive do you think please?

share.google/A8U5gshBTTfwIE1bq

Please can you answer my polite question?

Sorry I can't see the link.

Polite answer - you could try asking them but seems to me it’s a case of “not in my back yard”.

Approx 500 locals turned up today for a peaceful protest at former RAF Barnham on the Norfolk/Suffolk border.

They also protested last weekend. They are very concerned that there is talk of 1,250 migrants being moved there.

Primrose53

greyfur

Primrose53

MT62

These politicians probably have big homes, plenty of bedrooms.
Since they want all these migrants, & refugees, I think they should accommodate them in their homes.
I am all for charity starts at home.
Our own homeless want sorting out as it’s becoming a disgrace.

MT62

Have you seen the “Stand Up to Racism” group have launched a petition against 1,250 asylum seekers being housed near them in Bicester, Oxfordshire?

Refugees Welcome but not in our back yard hey? 🤣

Seems rather odd behaviour from this group. What is their motive do you think please?

share.google/A8U5gshBTTfwIE1bq

Please can you answer my polite question?

Sorry I can't see the link.