Andy Burnham has spent years talking about serious tax reform. He will very soon be in a position to do it, or at least begin the process.

But I am not an economist, so can't imagine how you could possibly find a way to do this that would be seen/accepted as fair for all.

How about reading suggestions from people who have thought about making tax more fair and productive?

I will link once again to Richard Murphy's 'Taxing Wealth Report' in the hopes that a few people bother to read it.

Forget about his connection with MMT, this is nothing to do with it. It is his proposals for how the current taxation system can be used to increase the tax take in a way that the burden falls more equitably on the wealthier members of society, who, at present pay less tax as a percentage of their income than do people in the lowest tax brackets.

Murphy has an economics degree and is a chartered accountant who dealt with company and personal accounts for 40+ years, He knows how taxation works and where it could become more progressive and where avoidance could be averted.

I'd be really grateful if some people could give me some feedback on what they think of his proposals.

This is the summary version

taxingwealth.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/Taxing-Wealth-Report-2024-Summary.pdf

I don't think that any tax regime is going to please everybody.

Oreo

Instead of casting about to put any new taxes in place ( window tax anyone?) he needs to put up income tax, that’s where the most money comes from.Starmer didn’t have the guts to do it, and it does take guts as everyone grumbles, but Burnham needs to.
Then he needs to do a u turn on the policy of putting up NI on employers to get more younger people into work.

Put up income tax, yes, but I can't help feeling that this will never be seen as fair by most people as long as there are so many tax avoidance schemes that only benefit the wealthier sector of society..

But I am not an economist, so can't imagine how you could possibly find a way to do this that would be seen/accepted as fair for all.

Ilovecheese

Everyone does pay tax. VAT

I guess Doodledog means Income Tax, I agree, we all pay taxes of many different kinds.

Everyone does pay tax. VAT

Cossy

I’d never even considered farmers! I was too busy think about elderly people who bought houses with lots of land say 55 years ago and would be unable to pay this tax in many instances.

I thought the idea was that the tax would be paid on death, but I may have misunderstood.

I really don't think that increasing income tax is the way forward. Workers pay for far too much as it is, and those who don't work pay for far too little. Everyone should pay tax, as everyone benefits from living in the society it pays for.

Oreo

Instead of casting about to put any new taxes in place ( window tax anyone?) he needs to put up income tax, that’s where the most money comes from.Starmer didn’t have the guts to do it, and it does take guts as everyone grumbles, but Burnham needs to.
Then he needs to do a u turn on the policy of putting up NI on employers to get more younger people into work.

I can see the sense in this!

Instead of casting about to put any new taxes in place ( window tax anyone?) he needs to put up income tax, that’s where the most money comes from.Starmer didn’t have the guts to do it, and it does take guts as everyone grumbles, but Burnham needs to.
Then he needs to do a u turn on the policy of putting up NI on employers to get more younger people into work.

We do know that Burnham has been talking to economist - to what end we don’ t know.

I think Mr.Burnham will find out PDQ that having an idea is totally different to trying to implement it.

I’d never even considered farmers! I was too busy think about elderly people who bought houses with lots of land say 55 years ago and would be unable to pay this tax in many instances.

I guess the fallacy in the argument 'tax land because taxing it won't reduce it' is that taxing land could still reduce the proportion of managed land to wasteland.

Good luck to him because he'll need it - and a miracle.

The Tax System - an umbrella term for the multitude of taxes that have been invented over the years - is now such a vast and unwieldy beast that even a whole regiment of government accountants and financial experts wouldn't know where to start.

If any reform is implemented I don't expect to see anything substantial in my remaining years. I imagine such a task will have to be rolled out over a couple of generations.

He doesn't once mention farmers. If there's a certain acreage exemption for farmers (the smallest acreage that would sustain a viable farm in that area, allowing them to make minimum wage income from their land) that is still risky as farmers face many uninsurable risks from year to year & many have bank loans to service as well.
If you exempt farmers all together, would you get enough revenue to replace the other taxes, give a lower tax burden for nearly all of them, & break even? I can't see that.
It seems an incomplete "explaining" when he doesn't adress the elephant in the room.