Gaza, I despair.

The complication is that the US could insist that Israel stopped its settlement programme but it can't do that while terrorist groups are fighting to destroy Israel with Iran backing them.

If Iran wins the current conflict and is emboldened enough to attack Israel directly the Israelis might reply with a nuclear weapon. If the state is at risk, as a last resort I believe that they will do that.

What is happening in the West Bank has nothing to do with Iran.

Thanks Samwan, for your response.

Sarnia

Whitewavemark2

The Board of Peace? There’s a misnomer if ever I’ve heard one!

Quite. Tony Blair is a member, I think. Enough said!!!

If any one British politician should be in jail....

David, the war Trump has started adding fuel to fire in Israel under the current regime has nothing to do with forced illegal settling in the West Bank .

It was happening before, and is getting far far worse under the cover of the bigger picture.

Disagree, its far more complex imo.

Today clip from Haaretz

Israeli settlers leading sheep out of the village of Amanzil in the southern West Bank, Thursday

An Israeli strike on a funeral in the Gaza Strip killed at least seven people and wounded 22 others, according to Al-Awda Hospital in the Nuseirat refugee camp, as reported by The Guardian.

*Settlers filmed stealing Palestinian livestock under IDF protection

In the West Bank, settlers were filmed on Thursday taking dozens of sheep and goats from livestock pens belonging to Palestinians under the protection of Israeli soldiers.

Residents of the village told Haaretz that settlers from a nearby outpost had spent the day grazing their flocks on land adjacent to the village before deliberately mixing them with a flock belonging to Palestinian residents.

According to one resident, it was impossible to separate the animals, forcing villagers to return most of the Palestinian livestock to the village pen out of fear that settlers would seize the entire flock. The resident estimated that between 10 and 15 sheep belonging to settlers entered the Palestinian pen, while the settlers themselves took several Palestinian-owned sheep.

Later that night, settlers entered the village alongside security force vehicles. Soldiers allowed the settlers to break the lock on the livestock pen and take the entire flock, despite repeated attempts by villagers to show Palestinian Authority identification tags attached to the animals' ears.

Footage later showed soldiers accompanying the settlers as they led the flock away from the village.

In Ramallah, a 17-year-old Palestinian died on Saturday of wounds he sustained when he was shot by Israeli troops a week earlier. The incident followed several days of repeated attempts by settlers to graze sheep on land near an isolated Palestinian family home in the village.

After settlers harassed the family, Israeli troops ordered them to open their gate using riot dispersal measures, according to residents and video footage, leaving several wounded as a result of rubber bullets and tear gas. The IDF said that soldiers had fired at a suspect who was throwing stones.

Maremia

Is it known if Starmer ever reversed that opinion?
I know there was a statement in the House of Commens about the right to a Palestinian State.

Starmer took at least 9 days to reply and then did not apologise he just tried to explain himself.

Keir Starmer has lied his way to the top of our political process causing untold damage in the process. Here’s just one small example as he announces another 66 peers will go to the House of Lords

Across his full premiership (2024–2026), Keir Starmer appointed 135 Labour-affiliated peers despite having pledged to “clean up sleaze’ in government and “replacing the House of Lords with a new, SMALLER, democratically elected second chamber”.

Good riddance to him.

Isreal wants a greater Isreal it's been the plan all along, what's to stop them they have impunity. It has bombed at least seven countries. The IDF or call them IOF Isreal 'illegal' occuping force are terrorists.

Iran is the only country to stand up to them. Iran has not bombed any country before Israel and USA illegally attacked it, or caused wars. Isreal USA and UK has.

There is a march in London today calling on the new PM to stop arms sales to Israel end the genocide.

There will be no peace in Gaza or the West Bank until Iran stops sponsoring terrorism and the destruction of Israel. Israel will fight all the way regardless of the opinion of others.

If Iran wins the Gulf conflict expect it to get worse not better.

I'll keep putting Haaretz stuff up but be selective.

I just hated having no information going out.

BTW, whats happening as per above in the USA now hostile to the regime is pretty interesting stuff = -its not students camping out anymore at all, its mainstream. The USA is losing control, but OTOH is still funding the current regime to a vast extent.

Thanks Wyllow. Will read your posts again later.
Such a lot to take in.

In the edition before some interesting news from the USA!

Vance says Israel 'losing the battle for U.S. public opinion

Nearly half of U.S. House Democrats – including some of Israel's staunchest supporters – voted on Wednesday in favor of halting U.S. aid to Israel.

Although the amendment ultimately failed, the vote marked a significant milestone, underscoring how dramatically Israel's standing within the Democratic Party has shifted.

Despite intense lobbying by pro-Israel and Jewish establishment groups against the amendment leading up to the vote, Democratic lawmakers have become increasingly attuned to the role U.S.-Israel policy is playing in primary races across the country, including several recent victories by progressive candidates.

Many House Democrats supported the amendment to signal that unconditional military aid to Israel is no longer acceptable. Former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi – one of the most influential Democrats in the history of the U.S.-Israel relationship – said she would vote in favor of the amendment "for the good of the Israeli people and the Palestinian people."

Meanwhile, Vice President Vance said in an interview on The Joe Rogan Experience podcast on Wednesday that Israel is "losing the battle" for public opinion in the U.S. He made the remarks while discussing reports of an Israeli influence campaign targeting conservative Americans, as well as the Trump administration's Iran policy.

and Palestinians report settler raids as Israel allocates $330 million for West Bank settlements

I shall start as much as possible by posting the Haaretz headlines on this thread, I get a daily email as I free subscribe. It shocking what is going on overall but this gives a peep

This first is on a very hot election issue indeed - a judiciary that is no longer independent asfter laws passed

*"Key Netanyahu ally says ‘we do not recognize the courts’ after top court freezes law defending draft evaders"

details as its really significant on this one

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Communications Minister Shlomo Karhi speaks at a conference in Netanya, July.
Key Netanyahu ally says ‘we do not recognize the courts’ after top court freezes law defending draft evaders

Overnight into Friday, the Knesset voted to dissolve itself after approving a series of controversial bills aimed at weakening Israel's judiciary and benefiting the ultra-Orthodox parties

A few hours earlier, it passed Communications Minister Karhi's broadcasting bill, despite warnings that it would significantly expand government influence over the country's television and radio sector. During debates on the legislation over the past year, Karhi accused Israeli media outlets of spreading propaganda and even blamed them in part for the conditions that led to Hamas' October 7, 2023, attack.

As part of the reform, Israel's current media watchdog would be replaced with a new body, the majority of whose members would be appointed by the communications minister. This new authority could also could set rules for how viewership data are collected and published, allowing the government to manipulate ratings to favor friendly outlets.

In addition, all channels, regardless of platform, would fall under the same licensing as content or news providers, which would grant the government oversight over nearly every online video content creator.

Speaking at the Knesset after the bill passed, Karhi said "we've defeated the deep state," and claimed that the reform gives the public the freedom "to decide whom to watch, whom to listen to and what to pay for."

Meanwhile, Arye Dery, chairman of the ultra-Orthodox Shas party and a key member of Netanyahu's coalition, told a Haredi news site that "we do not recognize [the courts'] authority; they no longer have authority over us," further escalating the government's attack on Israel's judicial system.

Dery's tantrum, which included questions such as "what do we have in court? Why do we need to go defend ourselves there, to play this game?" came after the High Court froze a law that would shield Haredi draft evaders from arrest.

The last six days of the Knesset session could have been Netanyahu's last chance to win back a shred of legitimacy, to don the appearance of a genuine statesman who serves the country's majority. Instead, his office shelved dozens of bills that were part of a consensus, that, as Menachem Begin put it, "benefit the people" (including a bill designed to ease traffic).

Instead, it favored bills that crush democracy, support draft evasion, subordinate the media to politicians and promote gender segregation in academia"

Israel's Knesset Approves Bill Legalising Gender Segregation in Universities

*In threat to press freedom, Shin Bet seeks to probe alleged leak about attack on Iran - Israeli Rights Groups Alarmed Over Reports Shin Bet Tracking Reporters.

*The Netanyahu Regime's Black Boxes Must Be Revealed

*ICC Prosecutor's Aide Goes Public in Sex Misconduct Case, Denies Israel Ties

*Despite IDF Demands, Knesset Keeps Mandatory Military Service at 32 Months

Other Haaretz editions have news of numbers killed by settlers on the West Bank and Gaza news, I'll try to find them most of all.

Some interesting comments by Andy Burnam about British bombs not to be available.

Is it known if Starmer ever reversed that opinion?
I know there was a statement in the House of Commens about the right to a Palestinian State.

Sorry but that sounds like both hearsay and a disgusting thing to say about our (ex) PM

Sorry, Cossy, but when it's absolutely on record that Starmer said, at the beginning of Israel's action against the Palestinians, that Israel had a right to cut off food and power supplies to Gaza I think there is some justification for Samwam's beliefs.

That was a disgusting thing to say, too...

Yes, AGAA4, Netanyahu is putting the State of Israel, and as a result, the people of Israel, in danger, by alienating those who used to be staunch allies.
He is already named as a war criminal, in certain jurisdictions, because of what has been done to the people of Gaza.

I have never, ever, in any of the long Gaza Threads read a post in support of Hamas.
They are a prescribed organisation.

Netanyahu and his associates Ben-Gvir and Smotrich are the most despicable of creatures. The amount of blood on their hands can never be washed away.

Already condemned by some as genocide, the treatment of the people of Gaza is inhumane.
The treatment of the Palestinians in the West Bank is considered to be illegal.

Netanyahu persuaded Trump to bomb Iran.
Previous Presidents declined the invitation.
Because of this, the state of Israel is losing the iron clad support once guaranteed from the US.

Yes Foxie, & not only that, antisemitism seems to be on the rise as well, & why is that if not because of the condemnation of Israel that Netanyahu's precipitated? It emboldens those who like to hate, but it is the truth & needs speaking.
I know the Jewish diaspora bear no responsibility for Gaza, but not everyone makes this distinction.

Samwam

It was.mentioned by the surgeon in interview. He said he tried to tell Starmer about the atrocities he saw happening and tried to treat but Starmer didn't want to know.

Information from the Morning Star, a communist newspaper, I will take with a huge barrel of salt.

Netanyahu and his alliances have bought world wide condemnation for Israel and has greatly weakened the support of Americans. Israel now occupies 60% of Gaza and there is a large buffer zone that is not included in that 60%. The treatment of Gazans is inhumane and Netanyahu's troops are still moving forward into new areas. The board of Peace has cancelled it's plan for large areas of reconstruction because they are unsure that it won't get bombed to bits by the IDF. It's disgusting.

It was.mentioned by the surgeon in interview. He said he tried to tell Starmer about the atrocities he saw happening and tried to treat but Starmer didn't want to know.