Doesn't 'Greater Israel' involve taking land from other territories, and not just Palestine?
Must look this up.
The Daily Mail - the great divide
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What those people must be going through. Having had a few hot days gives us some understanding. To be without water and a home in the heat.The whole place is destroyed. And now Trump is waiting for Netanyahu to finish it off.
Doesn't 'Greater Israel' involve taking land from other territories, and not just Palestine?
Must look this up.
Indeed. Many US citizens are just so insular - they simply do not take an interest in world matters (the ideal of course is building a movement in the US against it, and there are people doing it, but sadly atm more are concerned with oil prices at the pump and Iran et al.
I was listening to a former zionist Isreali on YouTube who has now moved to USA He was explaining how he came to realise Isreal is an ethno colonial and mitilitaristic state. Kids are being brainwashed to thinking they are better than there neighbours Palestinians. At 15 you prepare for the IDF. He couldn't in his heart join the fighting killing so stayed behind in training youngsters etc. He went out with IDF were told to make your presence felt, then thought what does that mean for the Palistinians what does that feel like, he felt empathy. He began an awakening a realisation of what the state of Isreal is the othering the propaganda all to make youngsters want to always fight to see Palestinians as lesser. It has always been like this.
The goal a greater Israel
America are spending people's tax dollars on bombs arms to Israel to kill civilians children. When will it stop it's crazy..
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"Cleansing" Gaza of Palestinians has been the aim of Netanyahu's regime from the start.
Greater Israel is the goal.
Katz said on Wednesday that he believed US support could tip regional opinion in favour of the forced resettlement of Palestinians from Gaza.
The Guardian online this morning
'Israel seeking Trump's support for plan to expel Palestinians from Gaza'
From Hani Almadhoun
Lives now in Washington DC
Works for UNRAW
Formerly of Gaza
Vice President of Philanthropy.
Parents and family still live in Gaza
His Facebook page (no need to go there unless you want to check him out and get at lot of testimonies from Gaza and how some aid agencies helping, how women are playing a part)
www.facebook.com/alkabeer.alhani
"Here has not been a single moment to catch our breath.
I know the people doing this are vile. I have stopped expecting them to do the right thing — that is not on brand for them.
What I have learned is how they respond when you refuse to go away and weep in silence.
They do not come after you for their war crimes. They come after you for the inconvenience of your grief.
They put you on lists.
They search you at airports.
They attach labels and adjectives to your name designed to make everything about you instead of what you are saying. All because you would not disappear quietly.
What I have not stopped noticing is what is happening underneath the headlines, the thing that does not get reported.
The fabric in Gaza is melting.
We have cheapened death without meaning to. A Palestinian looks at bodies in the street,disfigured, unclaimed, turns their head, and posts about the next food parcel registration
Not because they do not care. Because they cannot afford to stop. Grief has become deferred. Pain arrives on an installment plan. Everyone has gone numb just to keep functioning, and the numbness is its own kind of damage — quieter than a bomb, slower, and harder to treat.
The desperate need is turning people against each other. People are not themselves anymore — they do not recognize themselves, and neither do we. It is psychological, and it is spreading.
You hear it in how people talk to their families, in the conversations coming out of Nablus and Hebron. The trauma is not staying in Gaza.
It is moving.
The Israeli regime keeps moving the goalposts. They told the last administration "two more weeks" for two years, while shifting to new objectives, new targets, new justifications.
And in the process we lose our families, our places, and our faith that any of this ends the way it should.
I sometimes ask myself: when this is over, what will I do? What are my hobbies? What does my mind reach for when it is not carrying this?
I honestly do not know anymore. The anniversaries alone — if we are lucky enough to survive to them — come with videos we have to revisit, family members we have to miss all over again. There is no clean way through that.
It has been going on so long I cannot imagine the other side of it. The person who sells homes or writes code or makes your overpriced cup of coffee can burn out and step away.
This is not a job I can leave. It is tied to everything I define myself by.
A simple hello to my parents on the phone brings it all right back
If someone is not feeling well, I catch myself praying they will not need a medical evacuation that is not coming.
Some of these posts heal me. Some of them cost me something. But I feel a fundamental obligation to keep writing.
Not because I am not exhausted. I am.
But staying quiet is a privilege I do not have. If I tune out, this becomes background noise. And these are not statistics. These are my people.
So I keep writing. Not because it is easy. Because it is the bare minimum I owe to the people living through it."
sent to me by my cousin.
I'm in the LP, will try to get it through. Trouble is, it's competing with issues like the Care system, Climate Change, stopping Palantir and many more in terms of CLP choices.
Time to stop. I support AB but I think some things need to change.
MODEL MOTION - The Government must act on Israel’s ongoing atrocities against Palestinians
Please find below the text of a model contemporary motion for Labour Party Conference 2026. The deadline for CLPs to submit Contemporary Motions is 5pm Thursday 17 September.
A CLP can submit one Contemporary Motion (or a Rule Change) and details on the criteria for Contemporary Motions and Reference Backs can be found here.
Motion Title: The Government must act on Israel’s ongoing atrocities against Palestinians:
Conference notes:
On 9 August, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu rejected the US-backed 15-point plan for Gaza.
On 10 August, the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs reported that Israeli military operations continue across Gaza, resulting in Palestinian civilian casualties.
On 16 August, an Israeli minister called for routine daily killing of dozens of Palestinians in Gaza.
The NPF Annual Report 2026 does not reference any atrocities committed in Gaza by the Israeli state, but Israel has violated the October 2025 Gaza ‘ceasefire’ thousands of times, with more than 1,250 Palestinians killed in that time, and in June 2026 the UN Independent Commission of Inquiry report confirmed that Israel’s genocide in Gaza is ongoing.
Israel is on trial for genocide at the ICJ and in 2024 the ICJ judged that Israel’s occupation of Gaza and the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, to be unlawful and ruled that Israel was in violation of the international prohibition on racial segregation and apartheid.
Conference welcomes Andy Burnham's apology for Labour’s stance on Palestine and acknowledges Ed Milband's statement on 11 August, but believes decisive action is needed against Israel’s genocide.
Accordingly, Conference calls on the government to:
Accept the findings of the UN Commission of Inquiry that Israel has committed genocide.
Impose comprehensive sanctions on Israel, including a full arms embargo.
Ban all trade that aids or assists Israel’s military actions in Gaza or its unlawful presence in the occupied Palestinian territory, including all trade with Israel’s illegal settlements.
AB promised change on Gaza but is still sending flights, sharing intelligence to Israel as Starmer did.
Yes, Smileless2012 what the current regime is doing is unforgivable imo.
But its not, imo because the regime are Jewish - all over the world there are groups who are suffering in the same way as Palestinians atm or in the family recent past and its tyranny at work as well as the claims to be "the original and only" people with rights to the land......
...since some Palestinians claim the same. History has a long reach and there are "justifications" on both sides. Most of the world consider only sharing the land ie two states is the possible way forward - but the tyrannical elements of the regime have the upper hand atm. The tides of history have many times and moods, and Hitler's work never forgotten..its very complicated. Just absolutely fair to say the current regime is not supported by many jewish people round the world, it is viewed with horror, just as it is accepted by many that Netanyahu and buddies are actually increasing anti semitism.
Good to hear about that Art exhibition.
Talk is cheap JenniferEccles, he has done nothing to stop the violence.
Has he only just noticed what is going on?
Or is he now aware of the drawbacks of international condemnation?
He mentioned Israel's reputation in the world, didn't he?
There are IMO very good reasons for singling out those responsible for the atrocities being carried out on the West Bank Wyllow.
The extremes of any religion thinks of itself as God's chosen people.
There are not good grounds for singling one group out. Think of some Christian cults one would apply those words to.
Call themselves God's chosen people. They have been chosen by the devil. It certainly looks that way AGA.
lets be specific. All he has condemned is the "Actions of small groups of settlements
read France 24
www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20260829-netanyahu-condemns-criminal-acts-of-violence-by-settlers-in-west-bank-villages
He has not condemned the settlements himself, indeed he supports them as his regime has brought in more and more legal acceptance of one settlement after another.
A search shows:
"Settlement and Outpost Approvals
Record Approvals: Official reporting indicates that the government approved plans for 54 new official settlements in a single recent peak year, alongside the erection of 86 new outposts
Cumulative Growth: Since late 2022, the government has approved more than 100 new settlements and outposts across the West Bank, bringing the total number of recognized settlements to over 140 alongside nearly 200 outposts
JenniferEccles
I thought Netanyahu had condemned the actions of the settlers rather than being ‘happy’ with what’s happening.
Some of his government are settlers on the west bank.
If Netanyahu really condemned them he would do something about it.
Gaza Aid Boss condems Trump's Board of Peace. (Probably Netanyahu is arming settlers IOF doesn't to stop them)
youtu.be/Kh3M3dWhVaA?is=yHZVZv-HegmYu2gC
The library that has Gaza children's art (some of who have died) exhibition had a book to write your thoughts which will be given to Gaza. Children in the library drew art which was photographed to send to Gaza children. Sligo had the first exhibition, so the art is touring around.
I thought Netanyahu had condemned the actions of the settlers rather than being ‘happy’ with what’s happening.
Netanyahu is quite happy with the situation. The war goes on which is what he wants. Peace is not something he is interested in.
It is totally shocking what has been happening in the West Bank. These settlers are religious zealots with extreme views, thankfully they don't represent all Israelis anymore than Hamas represents all Palestinians. It is not difficult to make comparisons between the government of Israel supporting these settlers and the political wing of Hamas supporting the vile atrocities committed by it's military wing. What chance of peace is there when people on both sides are allowed to commit such violence?
Lucy Williamson if the BBC was talking to a Palestinian man who was showing her how the settlers had destroyed his olive trees.
A group of armed masked settlers came running down the hill towards them. They had to run to their vehicles and drive away.
The BBC have tracked one week of settler violence in the west bank.
A 17 year old shot dead as he stood outside his house.
A man who had lost his leg after being shot by Israelis bending down to pick up his crutch and severely beaten with an iron bar.
A donkey tied to the back of a car and dragged along until it died.
Settlers trying to starve people out if their homes by not allowing them out.
These settlers are the dregs of humanity.
Call themselves God's chosen people. They have been chosen by the Devil.
Palantir is the focus of the latest Amnesty International fact file.
It's mainly about the NHS contract, which is up for renewal in February, but starts off with concerns about the Israeli military using this technology to target Palestinians.
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