Shocking Stabbing

Yes, it could depend on the subject matter, but I think in this case it could be fair to say, that doesn't seem to apply.

I think it depends on the subject matter Monica…
Some opinions are simply wrong after all, many people agree with FGM, agree with attacking our emergency services, agree with keeping women and girls servile and within the home, just a few examples of what we all know is wrong.

Galaxy

Yes I just don't agree with you.

and someone not agreeing with you does not mean they are wrong or misinformed. It simply means they do not agree with you

Yes I just don't agree with you.

I'll clarify then if I wasn't clear

we can look at all the angles
political
protecting women
personal or family experiences

Different posters may chose a different focus.

The political focus is because attacks are being not only analysed politically but if the perpetrator is non white home grown then it will appear in all the headlines and some will assert, "they are all like that or have a tendency to be so"

The women's side is as stated above and is equally important.

Personal accounts and experiences bring another but interesting slant on the topic.

(I'm not going to going to try and make the points again, I'm sure I've explained enough)

You just said there is no need to go into political analysis wyllow.

The same thought jumped into my head before you posted. It is about both.

My mum was had a bedroom intruder. She woke to find a man riffling through her bedroom dressing table.

He got in through some very easy old French windows. This will be when she was 78 or so in the 1990's

She actually sat up and shouted angrily! He started to leave with what he had found and she caught his coat going down the stairs and he hit her nose and ran out. Sis immediately went unto see her and had loads of proper locks and an alarm installed. Lots of police kindness.

She wasn't scared after, (! amazing) and all the neighbours were so kind, but she was gutted by the loss of irreplaceable treasured photos in her purse

Galaxy

If there is no need to go into political analysis then why would politics be mentioned frequently. Again my belief is these type of threads are not to do with violence against women but to make a political point.

But surely it can be both? In fact, how can it not be?

If there is no need to go into political analysis then why would politics be mentioned frequently. Again my belief is these type of threads are not to do with violence against women but to make a political point.

I can see that, its just the knowledge if it had been the other way around what the headlines would have been.

But I do agree it will be found a very disturbed mind at work here indeed.

M0nica

I think people are over intereting this case.

Looking at the facts of the case, the assailant kicked at the front door, broke in, went upstairs and stabbed someone in the bed.

There is no evidence that he checked who was in the bed, that he chose one person or other. It was after dark so he could see very little.He the jumped out of the window and broke his ankles. Now that suggests tto me someone, either seriously mentally ill or high on some substance.

There is no evidence so far that he chose to stab the woman in the bed rather than the man. He would need to have turned the light on and pulled the bedclothes off then gone round the other side of the bed, if the person he first revealed was the wrong gender. Probably if they had been sleeping on the other sides of the bed, it would have been the man who was killed not the woman.

Now that this country is so multicultural, especially in big cities and towns, random killings are bound to become more ethnically diverse, just by chance as from any intent.

You could be right MOnica - I'm reacting to the headline news... another woman dying at the hands of a man.

We don't know the exact circumstances of the attack and it's quite possible it was purely random.

So, yes - maybe I've jumped the gun. Other women will, though, be fearful obviously.

I was also attempting to point out that, for me, the ethnicity of the poor victim and the perpetrator were not the main concern.

I think people are over intereting this case.

Looking at the facts of the case, the assailant kicked at the front door, broke in, went upstairs and stabbed someone in the bed.

There is no evidence that he checked who was in the bed, that he chose one person or other. It was after dark so he could see very little.He the jumped out of the window and broke his ankles. Now that suggests tto me someone, either seriously mentally ill or high on some substance.

There is no evidence so far that he chose to stab the woman in the bed rather than the man. He would need to have turned the light on and pulled the bedclothes off then gone round the other side of the bed, if the person he first revealed was the wrong gender. Probably if they had been sleeping on the other sides of the bed, it would have been the man who was killed not the woman.

Now that this country is so multicultural, especially in big cities and towns, random killings are bound to become more ethnically diverse, just by chance as from any intent.

There's shouting and naming, as per in the parallel thread on the Tate Brothers.

The one lesson I learnt when as a newbie I explored womens lives and hisotries as a feminist in the 1970's is

"the personal is political"

and this applies to most areas of our society - there is little that is not political in the broadest sense, and most certainly the nature of crimes against and by people of different ethnicities is a very political area indeed.

As regards naming left and right ie how matters work out on the political and press stages it depends on the basic of the discussion. The O/P alludes to "cold dark rage" and this is used by a certain POV politically.

Currently point being made as regards women, people are in agreement, there is no need to go into political analysis, unless protective measures for women are discussed and political opinions as to the 'how" or "importance of" is being discussed.

Of course shouting far right isn't at all divisive.

Yes, let's all remind future Thread Posters that we 'seek peace between cultures' as Oreo suggests.

As a woman, I am horrified that another woman with her baby beside her, can be slaughtered in her own bed in her own home, and with her husband beside her. Because, again - as a woman - that makes me fear for all women. If we cannot be safe in our own homes, then we are - in a so-called civilised society - effectively, enslaved as a biological sex.

Oreo

I would say that all GN members that I have seen ‘seek peace between cultures’ .

I agree with you there.

However, there is (some) media bias (I'm speaking generally) when there is a tragedy among the immigrant community, and it is a recognised documented phenomenon among media analysts - The 'missing white woman' syndrome.

Minority communities frequently experience a sense of secondary isolation when horrific crimes against them fail to capture sustained national attention.
(that's from Google AI which I consulted because I'd heard of the above syndrome but didn't really know anything about it).

... but my concern is still about the safety of women and girls at a time when - it appears - they, we, are less safe than we have been for decades.

That baby will never know its mother, and I'd imagine the husband's life will be devastated, too.

Perhaps it would help, to keep 'race issues' from Gransnet, if future Posters would/could desist from putting racial/ ethnicity details in the Thread Head?
Would that be a good start?
Time will tell.

Which stories/tragedies get to be told?
Possibly ones that will sell papers/boost viewing.
That could be how it works.

Oreo

The suggestion that we all must keep abreast of any and every murder and detailing our public horror about it just isn’t sensible.
Most stabbings whether fatal or not are most often caused by the same ethnicity assailant/ victim.White on white, black on black and so on.Whether it’s gangs, schoolkids or domestic violence.
All are abhorrent.

No one can disagree with this, of course.

However, I believe you may be evading the point. You yourself are only too aware of the latent anti-semitism within our home grown culture that has never really gone away, and the constraints it has always placed on the lives of some.

It is becoming more so, as we are only too well aware.

But this is not an issue which is separate from the general divisiveness forced on us by biased choices in reporting and other political moves mostly by the far Right going back a very long time but now increasing.

Yes it is idealistic for me to urge healing moves in our communities, but on the other hand, as I am part of them, I see the value and benefits in tiny ways - constant efforts when in situations where I am able to do so.

At our age, many of us mostly have to leave the bigger stage to others:

But neither is it acceptable to decry efforts as being virtue signalling: that is a not very subtle put down, when it happens.

(And I make no specific accusation there, but it does happen in GN)

Tuliptree

Well anyone who thinks race and ethnicity are not live issues in Oz is clearly living in cloud cuckoo land

Which state do you live in ? Round here there are no problems but I wouldn’t say the same for some of the other states.

The suggestion that we all must keep abreast of any and every murder and detailing our public horror about it just isn’t sensible.
Most stabbings whether fatal or not are most often caused by the same ethnicity assailant/ victim.White on white, black on black and so on.Whether it’s gangs, schoolkids or domestic violence.
All are abhorrent.

Cossy

GrannyGravy13

Tuliptree if you say so.

I find leaving a trail laughing emojis on a thread about a young mother having been murdered in rather bad taste…

That’s a bit unfair GG13, and I think you know that is not what was meant.

I think terrible events, like murder, can sometimes bring out “ugliness” amongst all people, in RL and online.

This isn’t always intentional.

I don’t think it’s unfair in the slightest, it smacks of a poster simply wanting to put one over by a row of amused emojis where a reasoned comment would be better.

cossy if you say so.

Nothing will make me think that laughing emojis have a place on this thread.

GrannyGravy13

Tuliptree if you say so.

I find leaving a trail laughing emojis on a thread about a young mother having been murdered in rather bad taste…

That’s a bit unfair GG13, and I think you know that is not what was meant.

I think terrible events, like murder, can sometimes bring out “ugliness” amongst all people, in RL and online.

This isn’t always intentional.