Shocking Stabbing

There's shouting and naming, as per in the parallel thread on the Tate Brothers.

The one lesson I learnt when as a newbie I explored womens lives and hisotries as a feminist in the 1970's is

"the personal is political"

and this applies to most areas of our society - there is little that is not political in the broadest sense, and most certainly the nature of crimes against and by people of different ethnicities is a very political area indeed.

As regards naming left and right ie how matters work out on the political and press stages it depends on the basic of the discussion. The O/P alludes to "cold dark rage" and this is used by a certain POV politically.

Currently point being made as regards women, people are in agreement, there is no need to go into political analysis, unless protective measures for women are discussed and political opinions as to the 'how" or "importance of" is being discussed.

Of course shouting far right isn't at all divisive.

Yes, let's all remind future Thread Posters that we 'seek peace between cultures' as Oreo suggests.

As a woman, I am horrified that another woman with her baby beside her, can be slaughtered in her own bed in her own home, and with her husband beside her. Because, again - as a woman - that makes me fear for all women. If we cannot be safe in our own homes, then we are - in a so-called civilised society - effectively, enslaved as a biological sex.

Oreo

I would say that all GN members that I have seen ‘seek peace between cultures’ .

I agree with you there.

However, there is (some) media bias (I'm speaking generally) when there is a tragedy among the immigrant community, and it is a recognised documented phenomenon among media analysts - The 'missing white woman' syndrome.

Minority communities frequently experience a sense of secondary isolation when horrific crimes against them fail to capture sustained national attention.
(that's from Google AI which I consulted because I'd heard of the above syndrome but didn't really know anything about it).

... but my concern is still about the safety of women and girls at a time when - it appears - they, we, are less safe than we have been for decades.

That baby will never know its mother, and I'd imagine the husband's life will be devastated, too.

Perhaps it would help, to keep 'race issues' from Gransnet, if future Posters would/could desist from putting racial/ ethnicity details in the Thread Head?
Would that be a good start?
Time will tell.

Which stories/tragedies get to be told?
Possibly ones that will sell papers/boost viewing.
That could be how it works.

Oreo

The suggestion that we all must keep abreast of any and every murder and detailing our public horror about it just isn’t sensible.
Most stabbings whether fatal or not are most often caused by the same ethnicity assailant/ victim.White on white, black on black and so on.Whether it’s gangs, schoolkids or domestic violence.
All are abhorrent.

No one can disagree with this, of course.

However, I believe you may be evading the point. You yourself are only too aware of the latent anti-semitism within our home grown culture that has never really gone away, and the constraints it has always placed on the lives of some.

It is becoming more so, as we are only too well aware.

But this is not an issue which is separate from the general divisiveness forced on us by biased choices in reporting and other political moves mostly by the far Right going back a very long time but now increasing.

Yes it is idealistic for me to urge healing moves in our communities, but on the other hand, as I am part of them, I see the value and benefits in tiny ways - constant efforts when in situations where I am able to do so.

At our age, many of us mostly have to leave the bigger stage to others:

But neither is it acceptable to decry efforts as being virtue signalling: that is a not very subtle put down, when it happens.

(And I make no specific accusation there, but it does happen in GN)

Tuliptree

Well anyone who thinks race and ethnicity are not live issues in Oz is clearly living in cloud cuckoo land

Which state do you live in ? Round here there are no problems but I wouldn’t say the same for some of the other states.

The suggestion that we all must keep abreast of any and every murder and detailing our public horror about it just isn’t sensible.
Most stabbings whether fatal or not are most often caused by the same ethnicity assailant/ victim.White on white, black on black and so on.Whether it’s gangs, schoolkids or domestic violence.
All are abhorrent.

Cossy

GrannyGravy13

Tuliptree if you say so.

I find leaving a trail laughing emojis on a thread about a young mother having been murdered in rather bad taste…

That’s a bit unfair GG13, and I think you know that is not what was meant.

I think terrible events, like murder, can sometimes bring out “ugliness” amongst all people, in RL and online.

This isn’t always intentional.

I don’t think it’s unfair in the slightest, it smacks of a poster simply wanting to put one over by a row of amused emojis where a reasoned comment would be better.

cossy if you say so.

Nothing will make me think that laughing emojis have a place on this thread.

GrannyGravy13

Tuliptree if you say so.

I find leaving a trail laughing emojis on a thread about a young mother having been murdered in rather bad taste…

That’s a bit unfair GG13, and I think you know that is not what was meant.

I think terrible events, like murder, can sometimes bring out “ugliness” amongst all people, in RL and online.

This isn’t always intentional.

Oreo

I would say that all GN members that I have seen ‘seek peace between cultures’ .

I truly hope this is true

Wyllow3

Well, sadly, I'd say very divided camps, Oreo.

There have always been fears (ie, enoch Powell et al - indeed - going back to the days of Empire) of those with different ethnicities. Myths created around cultures that were "not ours".

These fears and myths, always present for some, have had the flames fanned by the Right of recent times, in the way I describe above.

Twisting it "the other way round" and blaming those who seek peace between cultures, to me is very invidious.

I completely agree with you, and in my view, the facts speak for themselves.

We all have differing views, beliefs and moral compasses.

Each person in my immediate has been subjected to prejudice during their lives and it’s a terrible thing.

To pretend it doesn’t exist, simply isn’t an option for us.

Tuliptree if you say so.

I find leaving a trail laughing emojis on a thread about a young mother having been murdered in rather bad taste…

GrannyGravy13

I posted upthread that there are approximately 500-600murders per year in the U.K.

Taking the upper limit that is 1.64 per day.

Maybe we should have a separate Murder board on GN for those who wish to comment and publicise them all…

Pretty shabby comment

I posted upthread that there are approximately 500-600murders per year in the U.K.

Taking the upper limit that is 1.64 per day.

Maybe we should have a separate Murder board on GN for those who wish to comment and publicise them all…

Oreo

And I don’t think that any poster on here should continue to fan the flames.

As if any posters on GN would ever do that 😂😂😂

I think identity politics are very invidious.

And I don’t think that any poster on here should continue to fan the flames.

I would say that all GN members that I have seen ‘seek peace between cultures’ .

Well, sadly, I'd say very divided camps, Oreo.

There have always been fears (ie, enoch Powell et al - indeed - going back to the days of Empire) of those with different ethnicities. Myths created around cultures that were "not ours".

These fears and myths, always present for some, have had the flames fanned by the Right of recent times, in the way I describe above.

Twisting it "the other way round" and blaming those who seek peace between cultures, to me is very invidious.

Oreo

You believe what you like Wyllow3 as will everybody else.

Awww thanks for giving us all the permission.

You believe what you like Wyllow3 as will everybody else.