Rachel Reeves and David Lammy have been sacked by Andy Burnham as the Prime Minister begins appointing his Cabinet.

LH would hardly have been unemployed for life, even if she left politics.
Some, including moi, think AR isn’t up to the job from what I have seen and heard from her, and nothing to do with academic trophies or class.

So what has she done so badly that makes you think that? I think she got a lot done in the time she was last in the cabinet. She got the Workers' Rights Bill and the Renters Rights Act through, which will make a huge difference to 'ordinary people'.

I think what the answer to that Tuliptree is not to care what those people think. They aren’t supporters of Labour, and are looking to rake over the ashes of ministers’ past misdemeanours, which had already been raked over so assiduously that they are cold, in an attempt to rubbish Burnham’s government before it starts work.

Oreo

LH would hardly have been unemployed for life, even if she left politics.
Some, including moi, think AR isn’t up to the job from what I have seen and heard from her, and nothing to do with academic trophies or class.

Well I’ll take a punt hete and suggest you didn’t read what various housing charities said when she resigned and are now glad to have her back. I’ll take another punt and suggest most of us don’t have a real idea of what goes on in ministries and how well or otherwise ministers are performing .

Doodledog

So what has she done so badly that makes you think that? I think she got a lot done in the time she was last in the cabinet. She got the Workers' Rights Bill and the Renters Rights Act through, which will make a huge difference to 'ordinary people'.

Am not so sure that the Renters Rights Acts helps all renters, it’s been said that making life more problematic for landlords means fewer rentals on an already stretched rentals market.
Some policies which sound good on their own have knock on effects, like the extra NI put onto employers at the same time as increasing the minimum wage has meant fewer jobs going for those who need it.

Tuliptree have all the punts you like… there is far more to housing than housing charities.

Casdon

I think what the answer to that Tuliptree is not to care what those people think. They aren’t supporters of Labour, and are looking to rake over the ashes of ministers’ past misdemeanours, which had already been raked over so assiduously that they are cold, in an attempt to rubbish Burnham’s government before it starts work.

Which people?
How do you know how everyone on here votes?

I’m glad that AB has taken over but it’s what ‘handsome does’ so will be keenly watching what happens this year.
If Ministers aren’t doing well I hope he will be more ruthless than KS in replacing them.

Oreo

Casdon

I think what the answer to that Tuliptree is not to care what those people think. They aren’t supporters of Labour, and are looking to rake over the ashes of ministers’ past misdemeanours, which had already been raked over so assiduously that they are cold, in an attempt to rubbish Burnham’s government before it starts work.

Which people?
How do you know how everyone on here votes?

Either I’m an undiscovered genius, I use my spidey senses, or I remember what people have said on previous threads?

Handsome does? What is the continual need to talk about appearances?

Tuliptree you obviously haven’t heard of the old English proverb… handsome is as handsome does.
Much is made of AB and his lovely eyes and eyelashes.😃

KS made stupid political mistakes in the first six months of his tenure, fortunately I can’t see AB doing that.

Oreo

Doodledog

So what has she done so badly that makes you think that? I think she got a lot done in the time she was last in the cabinet. She got the Workers' Rights Bill and the Renters Rights Act through, which will make a huge difference to 'ordinary people'.

Am not so sure that the Renters Rights Acts helps all renters, it’s been said that making life more problematic for landlords means fewer rentals on an already stretched rentals market.
Some policies which sound good on their own have knock on effects, like the extra NI put onto employers at the same time as increasing the minimum wage has meant fewer jobs going for those who need it.

I guess that's a matter of perspective. I look from the centre left, and see the renters' rights bill as a good thing. It will only be landlords who don't want to be held to account who suffer - those already sticking to good practice won't be affected. For tenants, knowing that they can't be evicted without good reason has to be a good thing, too.

I don't know a lot about the impact of NI, but I think it's a good thing to lower the threshold, as too many people were kept on low hours so employers didn't have to pay. That meant that the staff couldn't get sick or maternity pay, and no pension contributions were made for them. A lot of people would get two or more jobs, both below the NI threshold, so were working full time yet got no benefits or rights.

I suppose if the legislation is looked at from the right of the spectrum it would seem different, but again, those who were doing things decently in the first place would, IMO, have nothing to worry about.

I look at things from a practical perspective tho I am a centre leftist as well.
Policies have to be well thought out in the round and there you have the Renters Rights and the recent employers NI coupled with rising wages without being well thought out in the round.
If politicians can’t even be effective at politics what good are they? Which is partly why the hapless KS has been booted out by his own MP’s and Reeves has lost her job, not before time.
It’s not a case of viewing things from the left or the right but of making policies which work out well.

Oreo

Tuliptree you obviously haven’t heard of the old English proverb… handsome is as handsome does.
Much is made of AB and his lovely eyes and eyelashes.😃

Of course I have heard it - I just don’t understand why it’s appropriate or relevant hers? I suppose if you ( generic you) thinks making judgements on people’s appearances is acceptable, relevant and useful , then there’s a whole host of sayings that could be applied. Personally, I find if easy to listen to what AB says and will be assessing what he actually does without the slightest concerns re his appearance

I can certainly think of a whole host of sayings Tuliptree

It’s not a case of viewing things from the left or the right but of making policies which work out well.
I doubt anyone would disagree with that, funnily enough. And I suspect that most people think they see things in the round - I am one of them. All the same, having done that, deciding whether something is a good idea or not does depend on perspective.

Going too far with tweaking renting policies resulting in many landlords selling up wasn’t a great idea.All renters aren’t wonderful in any case and it can be really hard to get them out.
It’s become obvious to all now that the NI and workers wages and so on has caused mass unemployment to younger people.

Having good intentions doesn’t always morph into great outcomes.

One blunder after another has resulted in a new PM and I will watch with interest and a great deal of hope over the next couple of years.

those who were doing things decently in the first place would, IMO, have nothing to worry about

But a landlord cannot ask a tenant to leave if they have been a good tenant?
We had a discussion on this a while back, and if I remember correctly, you, and two or three other posters thought that was perfectly ok? If I remember correctly.
I do call that, something to worry about. Presonally. [Not that we personally, are renting a house out.]

Oreo

Having good intentions doesn’t always morph into great outcomes.

Correct.

“ Am not so sure that the Renters Rights Acts helps all renters, it’s been said that making life more problematic for landlords means fewer rentals on an already stretched rentals market.”

I agree with this Oreo. When our DD was looking for a house last year the estate agent said that even in London the housing market had slowed because all over the country the housing market has been flooded by landlords selling up due to new regs that would make it harder for them to get rid of difficult tenants or stipulate ‘no pets’ etc. Not all landlords are bad landlords and the government tarred all of them with the same brush making it harder for everyone, including tenants because there are no longer as many rentals available.

fancythat

Oreo

Having good intentions doesn’t always morph into great outcomes.

Correct.

On the other hand, having bad intentions never does. I know which I’d prefer.

Which also made rents go up. By a significant amount in some areas.