Am I just being impatient and mean? New PM

I did not respond to your 16.30 post yesterday Lizziedrip and neither do I feel the need to respond to it today either 🤷‍♀️

LemonJam my post yesterday of 16:30.

Please can you indicate where I have linked Farage’s resignation as MP for Clacton and the timing of the AB coup?

You seem insistent that I’ve made this link🤷‍♀️

Lizziedrip- I posted this at 18.22 yesterday not quoting any of your posts directly. I have no idea which of your earlier posts you refer to "If you read my earlier post". I stand by my own post:

"Farage announced his ridiculous resignation on 7th July- way after Starmer announced his resignation on 22 June and just a couple of days before AB was elected as LP leader on 9 July.

Nothing effective in Farage's announcement timing that I can see apart from temporarily suspending his investigation during parliamentary summer recess. But his antics and his competition with his co contender Count Binface is definitely giving many people a laugh home and abroad 😅

LemonJam with reference to your post yesterday 18.22:

If you read my earlier post, I didn’t say Farage’s ridiculous resignation had any link to the timing of the coup.

I said that, IMO, the coup was timed to align with Farage’s declining popularity due to the £5 million gift:

13th May 2026 - Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards officially opens investigation into NF’s £5 million ‘gift’.

14th May 2026 – Josh Simons publicly announced his decision to resign as MP for Makerfield.

I don’t need to outline the rest.

Louise Haigh herself has said the planning to get Burnham into power had been going on for a year - perhaps just waiting for the perfect ‘opportunity’ to start the ball rolling, or coincidence?

It’s not difficult to join the dots.

I won’t do any more ‘huffing and puffing’ on the matter.

In my opinion Corbyn lost the election because of Brexit.
Had he been pro-Europe we would have had a different outcome.

I’ve just listened to a recent TRIP and they seem very enthusiastic and hopeful about Burnham. Mentioning a book that he’d written setting out his plans for the country. Even so, as I keep saying, a lot of it was already being done. And the difficult part was to get elected, the hard work of which, which included uniting the party, was done over several years by Keir Starmer. It isn’t easy as a Labour Party leader to get the party elected ( I mean Corbyn was up against a weak Theresa May and the bumbling disheveled Johnson and still couldn’t win). If only Burnham was a politician that could have played a part in government with his communication skills and enthusiasm, but imo he was only interested in doing it as party leader, not as a team player and Keir was obviously aware of that ( and I’ve been watching it happen for two years). For the good of the country I have to hope that he will succeed but, if he does it’s because of the hard work that Starmer put in to getting Labour back in power and that’s the bit that I will always struggle with.

LemonJam you can repeat yourself as much as you like, but there was unfortunately, NO contest.

Even if they lost, which is neither here nor there to me, at least we would have known what he was thinking if there had been a contest.

If it was so obvious that he wolud win, there was no good reason to not offer an alternative.
I, and some others would have accepted him better after a vote.

Casdon

I expect they will get over it MayBee70m if he delivers and Labour rise higher in the polls. Call me a cynic.

I agree- let's see if he delivers and the LP continues to lead in the polls- it would be good for the country if he does.

“The government launched Skills England in July to identify skills needs. This new body for the skills system had its first report yesterday (Tuesday 24th September), which highlighted the need for change.

The report provides an initial assessment of the nation’s working skills, along with the future skills needs and gaps employers are currently struggling with across the country. In this report, it found that employer investment in training has been declining steadily over the past decade, with training expenditure currently at its lowest level since records began in 2011, with investment per employee decreasing by 19% in real terms.

It also shows that almost 1 in 10, or 2.5 million roles, are in critical demand in the UK. More than 90% of these are in roles that require training or education.

Going forward, Skills England will play a crucial role in determining the which types of training will be eligible for the expanded growth and skills levy and will shortly set out how they will work with stakeholders to inform their advice to the Department for Education.

The need for jobs and skills varies across different industries. The health and social care sector experience the highest demand, followed by education, manufacturing, then science and technology”.
The government are already doing this.

I expect they will get over it MayBee70m if he delivers and Labour rise higher in the polls. Call me a cynic.

Burnham again refusing to answer questions from the press during his visit to Derby. I think he’ll be in for a shock come September. The left wing of the party will be against any welfare cuts. The backbenches are full of disgruntled Starmer supporters and there are some big guns amongst them. Badenoch, after being on dodgy ground at one point is becoming an assured opposition leader gaining in confidence all the time.

LizzieDrip

Casdon I didn’t suggest the Burnham coup played a part in Farage’s ‘fall from favour’. He’s clearly done that to himself.

I suggested the coup was ‘effectively timed’ to coincide with it.

Pleased to have made you laugh anyway!

What did you mean by effectively timed, then LizzieDrip, if your implication wasn’t that it had something to do with Burnham?

Farage announced his ridiculous resignation on 7th July- way after Starmer announced his resignation on 22 June and just a couple of days before AB was elected as LP leader on 9 July.

Nothing effective in Farage's announcement timing that I can see apart from temporarily suspending his investigation during parliamentary summer recess. Bu ut his antics and his competition with his co contender Count Binface is definitely giving many people a laugh home and abroad 😅

MayBee70

Crossed posts Lizzie!

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Casdon I didn’t suggest the Burnham coup played a part in Farage’s ‘fall from favour’. He’s clearly done that to himself.

I suggested the coup was ‘effectively timed’ to coincide with it.

Pleased to have made you laugh anyway!

I agree Casdon- not sure how long the huffing and puffing will carry on and AB is certainly turning the polls around positively for the LP.

Burnham would have won the leadership anyway, so the huffing and puffing seems counter productive to me. I suspect some on the left will leave, and new people who like the cut of Burnham’s jib will join.

I don’t see it as significant, because Starmer was not going to be able to become popular personally, the electorate made it very clear they didn’t like him, regardless of what he did. I’d prefer a Labour government to a Reform or Tory one, and I’m planning to bide my time and hope the Burnham government succeeds.

Everyone is aware of the LP voting rules and that members would have had a say if there had been 2 contenders or more in the running. But as no other MP could get the necessary 20% supporters Burham won at an early stage. On a positive note that meant no long drawn out leadership contest act various stages over the summer. Burham is PM, up and running and has taken the 10 point poll lead away from Reform UK, which for many is a good thing for the LP.

I can understand Labour Party members that didn't want AB as their preferred PM so wanted there to be more contenders that could secure more support than AB, so they could then choose their preferred candidate with a vote. Some have resigned - resigned their membership as a result in protest. I don't know how many members have left as a result of AB becoming PM or how many members have joined as a result of AB being elected leader of LP and how they compare however.

I'm not defending the Labour Party or any political party leadership contest rules- they are what they are.

LizzieDrip

Mm, the Haigh/Burnham coup appears to have been ‘well timed’ (if you like that kind of thing):

1) Just as Nigel Farage is coming under even more intense scrutiny (particularly by the media🤔) about the £5million, taking Reform into a downward popularity spiral.

2) Just as parliament goes into recess for the summer so no PMQs / scrutiny for Burnham in HoC by opposing MPs.

If you want a coup planning, you know who to call!

Imo the electorate would soon have realised that a lot of things planned by Keir’s government were starting to work. Boat numbers were coming down. Reform were being exposed for what they are. It was now or never for the PLP to make Burnham PM. A lot of the things he’s now promising were in the pipeline anyway. He was in Derby today, a city that has been granted millions by the government but I assume that everyone will think it’s down to him.

LemonJam

To win a party leadership contest you need supporters- Andy Burham had overwhelming support.

I know a lot of people that have resigned their membership over it, not having had a say in any of it.

I’d have preferred a contest too. I think you took the conspiracy theory way too far though when you suggested that there was some part played by the Burnham campaign in Farage’s downfall LizzieDrip, that did make me laugh.

To win a party leadership contest you need supporters- Andy Burham had overwhelming support.

Fact - Labour Party website 17 July 2026: AndyBurnham, MP for Makerfield, has today been elected Leader of the Labour Party.

Burnham received the support of 379 Labour MPs and 23 affiliate organisations.

This afternoon, at Labour’s Special Conference at the Trades Union Congress in London, the new Labour Leader was officially announced by Shabana Mahmood MP, Chair of Labour’s ruling body, the National Executive Committee.

I think unswerving loyalty to a party is not a good idea, I left the labour party over policy decisions but it is perfectly reasonable for those who supported labour to express concerns over whst happened in terms of leadership, it wasn't particularly edifying.