Angela Rayner is a scrounger, grifter and shameless hypocrite.

AR left the cabinet 5 September last year so nearly 11 months ago- not recent. She didn’t know she would return to a cabinet position until last week.

Sunshinegirls

18:15Maremia

Surely you could ask what's the point of any thread then. Members of GN can start any thread they like as far as I know within the rules, it would be pretty boring on here if there weren't any lets say provocative ones 😀 I've enjoyed this thread.

That’s nice

I suspect you re right JaneJudge. Nadine failed in politics ultimately, and she sees Angela being given a second chance, which must be a bitter pill. A woman scorned and all that.

18:15Maremia

Surely you could ask what's the point of any thread then. Members of GN can start any thread they like as far as I know within the rules, it would be pretty boring on here if there weren't any lets say provocative ones 😀 I've enjoyed this thread.

The truth is ND used language such as 'scrounger' to describe AR as she thinks she is better than her. I am considerably richer than yaou Angela - though I don't think that's actually true

I think the two women are most probably more similar than they care to admit to

Oreo

Not all Labour supporters like her Graphite she’s very much a Marmite MP.

I didn't say they did.

No, I really don’t think it is Maremia it seems to be certain MP’s that provoke strong reactions to them.

Isn't that frequently the case? With many MP's?

Not all Labour supporters like her Graphite she’s very much a Marmite MP.

Yes, that was uncalled for.

And I think that any politician may be criticised, including AR.
I certainly criticised her when I heard her at a political meeting sneering “Tory scum!”

If Rayner gave back around £6,000 (because the rest will have been paid in tax) then she would be setting an unnecessary precedent that could have wide-reaching consequences beyond Parliament, for example, to do with statutory redundancy pay.

For all we know, her legal counsel may even have advised her against returning money that she is legally entitled to for exactly that reason.

I doubt the gesture would make any difference to Labour supporters who like her and it certainly won’t make a difference to her political opponents and the right-wing media who will just look for the next reason to disparage her.

Having read the whole thread, surely this is now a thread about a thread

I am reminding people in case this thread is suddenly deleted as it isn’t long since HQ reminded us of doing these things.
So yes, I do realise but it’s Catch 22.

Good point Casdon.

Basically, ND gave back a payment to which she was not entitled
AR kept a payment to which she WAS entitled.
I wonder, what was the purpose of this Thread?

Referencing, by naming or linking another relevant thread is permissible, but a thread about a thread is not as I understand it.
I don’t know if you have realised Oreo, but by telling others what they can and cannot do, you are appearing to try to control the thread yourself?

Yes, but you have seen comments about 'moral compass', and so, judgement has been given to this.

I don’t think I have seen any comments on here that says that AR isn’t entitled to her severance pay when she left Ministerial Office to go to the back benches.
Just that it would have been nice if she had refused it, especially as she is back as a Minister really quickly, and as some of us are pointing out it would have been politically advantageous for her to do that.
Posters should keep well clear of references to other threads and controlling input which GNHQ don’t want us to do if we don’t want posts deleted or the whole thread.Bringing up old grudges isn’t a good look either.

Not naming is passive aggressive behaviour, as it’s back to some posters, but I see that Doodledog has had that post deleted now.

Doddledog hasn’t named anybody? The adverse comments about what AB’s wife was wearing were made last week though she’s entitled to dress as she pleased.

AR revived the severance payment to which she was entitled last year no less for the reasons set out in ministerial code- which applies in the same way to her NN and all other Governent minsters under the age threshold. NN was too old so not entitled so perhaps her comments come from a place of bitterness?

We could be here to domesday with people calling Farage a “scrounger, grifter and shameless hypocrite”- the difference is AR was fairly entitled to her severance payment- the question remains whether Farage should have declared his £5 million payment from a Reform UK political donor and for what reason. Wonder what standards NN applies to Farage re scrounging, hypocrisy and grifting- level playing field?

Doodledog

MollyNew

I didn't read the green trouser suit thread and I won't go looking for it. Sounds like a classic school bullying type of thread to me.

Oh, it was.

There are people on this thread who were on that one doing the bullying but now use different names so their hypocrisy isn't obvious to all. Not on the surface, anyway.

I agree that politicians of all parties deserve scrutiny, but for their deeds, not for their appearance, accent, etc. Yes, Boris Johnson drew flak about his hair, but that is because he messed it up before going on stage, because there are many old photos that show it was tameable before he decided to pretend it wasn't, and because the 'loveable rogue' image it projected was at huge variance with the man who lied to the Queen and partied when others couldn't attend the funerals of loved ones.

Who do you mean, please Doodledog?
That's the second time you've referred to someone on this thread.

It happens when somebody posts a deliberately provocative thread MartavTaurus, it’s inevitable that people will react strongly.

MartavTaurus

This thread is bizarre! Not the AR business, I've said she is entitled to keep the money, so no argument there.

What is bonkers is that, two months ago we were told that controlling threads, bringing up old threads and old grievances etc was a reason for banning. And yet, here it arises again. It's all very predictable, yet very strange, that no one is being deleted or told off this time?

Examples of misdemeanours by opening up old threads:

You should have been there for the famous "Angela Raynor Trouser suit thread". ....chosen to attack the new Labour Govt straight off.
And then advice where to find it in on GN.

Then, Probably the same type of person who would comment cruelly on what Mrs Burnham was wearing the other day.

Followed by discussions about posters being banned and for what reason - some of it dating back to 24 months ago!

Let alone the idea that this type of thread could be putting off new posters from posting.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose with the same names and the same grievances.

plus ca change, indeed.

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