Young people ‘expected’ to engage with government's new work support plans.

Other people are free to agree with your suggestion of course.

I hold my hands up - it was me that judged Eton College Boarding school, at a current cost of £65,673 per year in context of Boris Johnson.

Boris's housemaster Martin Hammond stated Boris had a "disgracefully cavalier attitude to his studies" and a "gross failure of responsibility' and that Boris thought he should be "exempt from normal rules". Boris was pulled up continuously for poor organisation, lateness and missing work etc etc.

I use that as an example that I don't think state mandated boarding schools to remove children from their parents during ring the week are the answer to the issues eazybee outlined in her 13.51 post.

Boris Johnson has his own personal lifestyle and it’s not for me to judge. All I understand is that the UK has long had an underclass in educational attainment and it has been perpetuated over the years. If families are promoting an anti work lifestyle then it would be good to think that educationalists could help turn this around. Whether in State boarding or in weekday provision.

I agree MartavTaurus. I personally would not want to live in a country where the state has statutory powers to remove children from their parents because of poor punctuality, politeness, sense of responsibility or poor work ethic.

According to Boris Jonhson's Eton College reports he may well have been a child who failed to meet said standards. Judging by his lack of work ethic and lack of personal responsibility and accountability when PM even Eton College Boarding school, at enormous cost, could not inculcate such behaviours!

ronib

State boarding schools exist across the Uk. Seems to me the height of child cruelty to allow families to consistently fail their children. Something to think about.
Of course private boarding schools don’t form part of State provision and would not be included in the scheme. In fact thanks to Labour policies, private boarding schools will be less inclusive and less inclined to support non fee paying families.

I think, as far as I've heard, that independent schools in general still try to foster good relations with state schools, but of course, the 20% VAT and business rates changes have affected financial and administrative arrangements for hiring spaces etc.

I don't think it's fair to apportion blame to parents either, but the question needed to be asked is how to engage these disaffected parents more in their children's education and how to encourage them to value learning of all kinds for their offspring.

I'm not pointedly making comparisons here, but the parents who support their children and who run to all four corners of the earth to improve their children's chances are often rewarded by turning out well rounded achievers, and I don't just mean in the area of academia.

There are indeed 34 state Boarding schools in the UK- most in England with limited capacity- ie only around 4,000 places. The education element is provided free because state funded education provided in line with the national curriculum I would imagine. Parents though currently pay accommodation and meals costs which typically range from £12,000 to £25k per child. Current demand for places is High.

Typically their current pupils have parents working abroad in the armed forces, diplomatic services or international companies or parents with demanding weekly working schedules.

So your suggested scheme ronib is that the state takes over these 34 schools, removes the current 4,000 or so pupils, mandate the 34 schools to deliver a behavioural modification programme for some 4,000 children across the UK instead?

Crikey!

State boarding schools exist across the Uk. Seems to me the height of child cruelty to allow families to consistently fail their children. Something to think about.
Of course private boarding schools don’t form part of State provision and would not be included in the scheme. In fact thanks to Labour policies, private boarding schools will be less inclusive and less inclined to support non fee paying families.

Not sure private boarding schools will be keen on this idea 🤷‍♀️

ronib

State boarding school? Weekly boarding only.

This may or may not satisfy eazybee 13.51: "How about banging on about families not preparing their children for work: punctuality, time keeping, a work ethic, politeness and a sense of responsibility should all be inculcated at home".

Are you expecting referrals from the families in question or schools when a pupil or child is not punctual, and there behaviour falls below a national stage mandated acceptable standard for acceptable work ethic, timekeeping, politeness and sense of responsibility?

Should the referral be sent directly to a government department set up for this task? Should the government have statutory powers to remove said children from their parents and send them to a weekly boarding school? Should boarding schools be legally mandated to accept such children, funded by the state with a statutory responsibility - to then inculcate such behaviours in said children until they reach national sanders levels? And the tax payer to fund this?

Crikey!

ronib

What extra funding is allocated for teaching the new curriculum? Who agrees it? How many teachers are qualified to teach it? Etc etc

If we follow the Dutch system ie teaching skills to young people, companies send their own skilled people into schools.

HelterSkelter1

Wouldnt it be fantastic if all parties got behind him and made tbis happen.

It would indeed.

More breadth in the curriculum has been needed for so long and the emphasis on academia as the priority has lost so many children to education ... they just switch off. I am glad that AB has also spoken about OfSted criteria needing to be adjusted so that schools can move in the right direction without being marked down for not meeting the academic criteria.

eazybee ... there is nothing to be gained by apportioning blame to families. These are likely the parents who were themselves products of a system that sidelined them for not being academic .... why should they value education? And even if there is parental blame why should their children be denied a proper chance by making their education more appropriate?

This is not about blame ... it is about helping young people to have a chance in life because as a society we care about their futures.

Wouldnt it be fantastic if all parties got behind him and made tbis happen.

State boarding school? Weekly boarding only.

Well posters or the government could bang on about families as you suggest eazybee, if they wish to do so.

But what plans would you like the government to put in place to address such families that has not been tried to date?

How about banging on about families not preparing their children for work: punctuality, time keeping, a work ethic, politeness and a sense of responsibility should all be inculcated at home.

Nobody gets up in the morning and thinks " I know, let's invent a system where bad behaviour rules the classroom"

fancythat

The liberal softies?
In what way?
And who are they?

Allowing bad behavior to rule the classroom and every excuse why they are allowed special treatment, there are no effective sanctions to indiscipline or laziness. That transfers into the workplace, where they have to learn to obey instructions and work to justify their wages.

I don't think enough people realise how much in the way of benefits a Special Needs diagnosis brings

I know one person and the amount of support is jaw dropping.
A fully furnished house, everything new.

Is this just a clever person playing the system or widespread?

Hiring, not telling.

Basgetti

fancythat

Sounds good in principle.

Apart from the points already raised, are there going to be jobs at the end of it all?
How are they going to materialise?
Are they going to be taken away from other people?

I think I have more opinions and thoughts.
Will see how the thread pans out, and what new details come forward from the government.

Something like this is needed if the government is to follow through with its promise of a huge, social housing building programme. New developments regularly stall because of a lack of qualified construction workers, for example.

Yes.

I tried to look up which skills we are missing in the Uk, and the whole system of telling people seems to have changed.

Seems to be wrapped up with visas nowadays.
I didnt understand.

Then someone said that the NHS gets money incentives if they take workers from abroad.

I am muddled by it all.

The liberal softies?
In what way?
And who are they?

I be been banging on about schools not preparing children for the adult world of work for years, only to be poo pooed by all the academics and teachers.

Now here we have Burnham finally accepting that education policy is wrong and needs to change with much more emphasis on technical skills and preparing children for the adult world. I wish him well but convincing the liberal softies to back him will be a challenge

Now he's suggesting cross party working on social care. Great stuff.

fancythat

Sounds good in principle.

Apart from the points already raised, are there going to be jobs at the end of it all?
How are they going to materialise?
Are they going to be taken away from other people?

I think I have more opinions and thoughts.
Will see how the thread pans out, and what new details come forward from the government.

Something like this is needed if the government is to follow through with its promise of a huge, social housing building programme. New developments regularly stall because of a lack of qualified construction workers, for example.