Burnham to tell schools in England to adapt teaching to local business needs- what do you think?

Yes we need a huge building plan for social housing, my area is fighting applications to build on our green belt when we have lots of grey belt waiting for regeneration. The plans are not for social or affordable housing,developers can make a better profit with ‘executive detached ‘ ie two inches between housed

As MOnica says, house prices will be dictated by market forces. Here in our part of north Manchester, the prices continue to rise and houses are selling.

I expect some of this is due to the higher cost of property in South Manchester being out of the reach of young people and families. People who can’t afford Chorlton finding good value , more open countryside and good schools around here 🤙

House prices will only rise if there are people can afford them. There is no point in having expensive houses you cannot sell.

There will always be a significant proportion of the population who cannot afford to buy a house. In 1979 when Mrs Thatcher became Prime Minister one third of all homes were council homes. Now that has fallen to about half that level. I am including all those in social housing of all kinds.

What is needed is a massive social housing building programme. It would take most young families out of the private renting sector and reduce demand for rented property so take the pressure off rents.

No. It just concerns me that if house prices shoot up in some areas some people might not be able to afford them.

I don’t expect you’d prefer ‘ the north ‘ to continue to wallow in poverty and poor prospects incase the difficulty in renting or buying becomes even more difficult than it is now ?

And ?

If money is ploughed into the regeneration of the north won’t it push house prices up?

We've been here many times before.

Andy Burnham is our best hope currently. He’s an experienced politician who has made success of some of the things he’s cared about.
He’s correct about his generation of politicians having missed or ignored many opportunities. He has increased support for his party in a short time. His aims chime with what many want. His commitment to public services and the need to establish effective health and social care are long standing belief systems

I agree with David (a rarity 🌞). We need his mp’s to support him. I’m hoping his communication, negotiation skills will aid that

If Burnham is our only chance,heeaven helps us, no one else can.

M0nica

I can remember, Quintin Hogg, Lord Hailsham, coming up to Tyneside in the 1960s ringing his handbell when I was a student in Newcastle and declaring that money and investment would be coming to the north to replace the declining industries of mining and ship-building, both now long gone. Nothing happened.

The Michael Heseltine did the same thing, nothing happened.

I have no confidence that Andy Burnham will do any better

It all depends on his MPs backing him if he cannot make a substantial start in 3 yrs we can look forward to a swing back to the right and back to square one. Neo Liberalism has failed time for change.

He's the best chance for the UK.

Employers traditionally supported various training financially,, by secondment or apprenticeships. We lost the connections when poor YTS courses replaced many better schemes.

I’m supportive of Andy Burnham’s aim and hope he can get it started. It needs employers , education and yiung people to make it succeed. It also needs time and long term investment. It would benefit from inter agency and constructive cross party commitment. It’s easy to stand on the side lines pointing out where things can go wrong. We need less decisive politics and more focus on making our country stronger

westendgirl

Lemon Jam I see that you appreciate the huge amount of work and effort staff have to put in to make these new courses work . It means contact with industry leading to offers of participation in the scheme. It is not easy as it costs the industries time and money and some are reluctant or cannot afford it.

Teachers developing new exam content, resources and training courses work in the evenings and at weekends. If it's left to those who haven't been near a classroom or a pupil in decades, it's frequently useless. The professional subject teacher bodies (Assoc of Science Ed, Assoc for Maths in Ed, Nat Assoc for the Teaching of English etc) are also predominantly run by full-time teachers in the evenings and at weekends, with a team of full-time admin at HQ.

If Industry wants input, it will need to offer time.

I can remember, Quintin Hogg, Lord Hailsham, coming up to Tyneside in the 1960s ringing his handbell when I was a student in Newcastle and declaring that money and investment would be coming to the north to replace the declining industries of mining and ship-building, both now long gone. Nothing happened.

The Michael Heseltine did the same thing, nothing happened.

I have no confidence that Andy Burnham will do any better

M0nica

What has happened in the past is that people have migrated from areas without employment to those with. This is why the south of England is so over populated.

Now relocation will be more difficult because those coming from non-industrial areas will lack that essential background schooling.

The basic reason is because the people follow the money, that drives all economic migration, when your money needs are satisfied you look for a pleasant place to live which will probably not be where you made the money.

Maybe Burnham will revive the economy of The North it's going to take a major long term investment to do that and it's been put off for so long

What has happened in the past is that people have migrated from areas without employment to those with. This is why the south of England is so over populated.

Now relocation will be more difficult because those coming from non-industrial areas will lack that essential background schooling.

That's very true here in Devon. Though not so for those with degrees who are in jobs where they can work from home. DS1 is employed by a company which is working on the NEOM project in Saudi Arabia, and all his work, apart from an occasional trip abroad, is done from a village in Devon!
Of course that can't be the case with practical, vocational jobs as there's only a limited number of positions as boat builders, marine technicians, rangers, and aquaculturists.

M0nica

What is not discussed is what will happen in areas that have no local industry, or demand for more tradesmen.

What has been happening for decades if there is no work those that can will migrate to areas where there is work. In a great many cases those areas will become retirement areas for those that have made their pile in the city

Think of coastal towns, Cotswolds, Yorkshire Dales, Lake District, whatemploy ent there is will be to serve the new community, its a well established process.

What is not discussed is what will happen in areas that have no local industry, or demand for more tradesmen.

This scheme is for 14+. Recruitment and retention of teachers is already a problem for schools, though it may be that the shortage of graduate jobs may ease this. It will certainly take time.

westendgirl

Lemon Jam I see that you appreciate the huge amount of work and effort staff have to put in to make these new courses work . It means contact with industry leading to offers of participation in the scheme. It is not easy as it costs the industries time and money and some are reluctant or cannot afford it.

The benefit for industries, is the chance to hire school leavers who have studied skills and topics relevent to the employers needs. Have some knowledge of what the employer makes, or what service they provide, and are motivated to work there. Kids who already live in the local area so have some level of social support from family and friends.

If the employer offers work experience for older school pupils. that's an excellent opportunity for both sides

Employing the right number and having sufficient, high quality, qualified staff is vital in schools as indeed it is for any service/business.

That would be the top priority for every School Head whether a state or private school. The only difference being the amount of the available staff costs budget, any constraints of national pay scales and what the electorate is willing to fund via taxes in for state funded education. You get what you pay for!

This will be a vital consideration in Burnham's plans for Education and Social care Reform.

I think the last two posts spell it out, that employing specialist and qualified staff to teach vocational skills will be the biggest issue.
You have to have the right people in the job, and enough of them.

Staff are your greatest expense in a school, but in my experience, they are your greatest asset too. That's why a private school does not hold back in this area.

GrannyGravy13

Our families experience of private schooling is that it concentrates and highlights on the positives. They also encourage self confidence and respect for others.

Whereas state schools have to contend with varying degrees of behaviour and are tied to government decreed curriculum.

Easier to do when the teachers are dealing with much smaller class sizes and are less likely to have disruptive pupils, though. I’m sure that’s the ideal that most teachers aim for when entering the profession but the higher their ideals the greater the risk of early burn out. This is what happened to my daughter.

So there you have it. Recruitment and training of staff. Facilities and equipment in schools. Close co-operation in design and delivery by school and employers.
It will need time, money and expertise. Two years might produce models of implemetation, roll-out will take much longer.