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49,000 migrants invade Spanish enclave in 24 hours

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Primrose53 Fri 31-Jul-26 09:19:20

news.sky.com/story/thousands-of-migrants-from-morocco-enter-spanish-enclave-of-ceuta-as-locals-demand-army-restore-border-13568466

Mainly from Morocco and Algeria.

Graphite Fri 31-Jul-26 13:19:04

If only stupid young men … concentrated on creating their own healthy communities.

What a strange thing to say.

At the same time the UK discusses that lack of opportunities for young people, record numbers of NEETS and so, and looks at ways to tackle it, speaking as if young people in other countries have control of those drivers is somewhat naive.

At least 34 people have died in the latest crossing. People don’t risk that unless they are desperate for a new life.

Grandmabatty Fri 31-Jul-26 13:30:43

So they crossed from North Africa to North Africa?
🤔

Casdon Fri 31-Jul-26 13:40:16

Galaxy

If the current governments don't police their borders, address the issues, then the populations will vote for governments that will. That is the choice really.

Not really, because even with a far right government such as the current one in Italy, there were over 66,000 by sea migrants last year. It’s only ever going to stop by countries working together to stop entry, and with the countries whose citizens are so desperate to leave.

Galaxy Fri 31-Jul-26 13:55:08

Yes but the population will vote for the 'far right', and to be honest why wouldn't they.

butterandjam Fri 31-Jul-26 13:55:39

TerriBull

Daft question I know, but I do wonder how Spain is able to hang on to Ceuta when it's sited in North Africa parallel to our situation with Gibraltar hmm

same way we hang on to the Falklands, and Northern Ireland.

butterandjam Fri 31-Jul-26 14:00:08

Galaxy

Yes but the population will vote for the 'far right', and to be honest why wouldn't they.

Because even the dimmest have realised that Nigel and Tommy have just one agenda, enriching Nigel and Tommy, nothing else.

Galaxy Fri 31-Jul-26 14:04:03

Good luck with that.

greyfur Fri 31-Jul-26 14:19:16

"invade" How unpleasant.

greyfur Fri 31-Jul-26 14:27:39

I saw a picture of a young lad in just shorts and no shoes. These people are so vulnerable.
Awful.

greyfur Fri 31-Jul-26 14:29:29

Meandrogrog

LemonJam

Countries don't 'need' borders because country borders already exist.

The issue is how countries and their allies decide how to control and manage their borders.

A country is broken if it cannot control its borders.

A country is broken if it refers to human beings as cockroaches.

Galaxy Fri 31-Jul-26 14:32:02

Both of those can be true. And I haven't seen anyone on here do that.

fancythat Fri 31-Jul-26 14:37:01

Galaxy

If the current governments don't police their borders, address the issues, then the populations will vote for governments that will. That is the choice really.

Assuming that choice of different governments exists.

MartavTaurus Fri 31-Jul-26 14:37:38

I can't see why "invasion" is an unpleasant word.
We have an invasion of grockles in our Devon town in summer when the population doubles in size. It just means an influx. Though our invaders do pay for their accommodation and food, and do go home after.

Who is going to look after all these migrants in Ceuta? It's not fair for any country to have to shoulder the responsibility and to take on the mammoth task.

butterandjam Fri 31-Jul-26 14:46:31

Shel1951

I wonder how this will effect Spanish culture? If they welcome the culture and integrate it shouldn't be a problem, the problem for me is when they bring their own culture and live within their culture it doesn't work if cultures clash,
Just my opinion

FYI, Spanish and Arabic cultures have been deeply entwined for centuries . Arabs occupied Spain for over 500 years; Islamic culture, language, architecture , cuisine and education is still imprinted on everything in modern Spain.

The Alhambra , and flamenco dance, are examples.

Galaxy Fri 31-Jul-26 14:54:06

How does Morocco compare with Spain in terms of rights for gay people. Similar?

Plevey08 Fri 31-Jul-26 15:00:38

Ceuta is self governing but overseen by the mainland. Although this was a large number, I heard today that overall numbers over the last few years have been far greater in Italy and France than Spain.

MT62 Fri 31-Jul-26 15:14:08

Galaxy

How does Morocco compare with Spain in terms of rights for gay people. Similar?

I wondered that too.
Our European nations embrace gay people. We have pride week as an example.
Didn’t we just have an attack by a Muslim man last week in Germany?
They don’t seem so accepting of gay people imo

LemonJam Fri 31-Jul-26 15:20:59

butterandjam

Meandrogrog

LemonJam

Countries don't 'need' borders because country borders already exist.

The issue is how countries and their allies decide how to control and manage their borders.

A country is broken if it cannot control its borders.

Well, no country CAN control its borders. If it's a vast country like USA, its borders with Mexico and Canada are so huge they will always leak.

A not-huge island like Britain or Ireland has a huge coastline, most of it unoccupied and unobserved , where boats can land.

In Africa, Europe etc every country borders many others and anyone on two feet can walk across borders at night unseen.

None of this is new, humans have been migrating for ever.

Most if not all EU countries, the UK, US etc try to control their borders but it's impossible to have 100% control. Humans will migrate for ever, they have done so for 1,000+ years- tand it will continue.

The UK has systems in place to try and manage and control its borders and the current government has brought immigration figures down.

Many things contribute to sustaining a country and making sure it doesn't become broken over and above its system in place to manage and control is borders. If the UK has zero immigrants over the next 10 years but internally other things deteriorate- the UK will become broken. It's the sum of all the parts that make up a none broken country.

The UK is not a broken war torn country and neither do we have famine. We still have basic security, a welfare system and rules of law. We have an equal society where women have the same rights as men. UK residents have free access to state education and health services at the point of need and other public services. The UK economy, infrastructure and social fabric has not collapsed. However there have been social fabric tensions and pockets of civil unrest. Hopefully such tensions and civil unrest and the undermining of the rule of law, education, welfare and health systems and government corruption won't escalate in the way we have witnessed in the US over the past year or more under the Trump populist president. Trump is pouring $billions into ICE in an effort to control US borders- but he will not achieve 100% control. The resultant price the US has paid with large scale ant ICE civil unrest and ICE murders yet to be determined and judged- by the next presidential election. Meanwhile the rule of law, education, judiciary, health access etc continue to be undermined and Trump's political corruption continues.

The UK has a democratic political system and the majority of the electorate decides which party, with which manifesto on all the above important issues secures the majority vote. The UK does have pockets of political corruption and civil unrest- but thankfully not to the extent of the US. The UK also has systems in place to identify, scrutinise, investigate and hold to account corrupt politicians.

Cossy Fri 31-Jul-26 15:29:48

Lemonjam 15:20

Absolutely agree with everything you have said.

It is an issue, but it’s not a new issue.

Also, imo, the word “invasion” isn’t being used in the context of influx, it’s being used, in the main, to “frighten” people.

M0nica Fri 31-Jul-26 15:31:22

and we think we have problems!!!!

GrannyGravy13 Fri 31-Jul-26 15:36:13

Cossy

Lemonjam 15:20

Absolutely agree with everything you have said.

It is an issue, but it’s not a new issue.

Also, imo, the word “invasion” isn’t being used in the context of influx, it’s being used, in the main, to “frighten” people.

What would you call 45,000 undocumented people breaking through the fence and entering another country over the space of a few hours if not an invasion?

JenniRen Fri 31-Jul-26 15:36:35

Perhaps the residents of Ceuta are the ones who may feel they have been 'invaded'. We cannot know how they feel or what they are thinking.

Galaxy Fri 31-Jul-26 15:42:39

I have seen a number of the residents use that term, I assume they are permitted to do that.

MartavTaurus Fri 31-Jul-26 15:43:02

I'm not frightened, I'm horrified. They're not attacking and ravaging Ceuta, but they are overwhelming it in huge numbers as was my analogy. I'm more angry than anything, from a distance, and if I could do something, I would, but I can't. So, I'm also frustrated and bewildered as to where one goes from here?

But yes, the residents of Ceura have every reason to feel scared.

MartavTaurus Fri 31-Jul-26 15:43:52

*Ceuta