49,000 migrants invade Spanish enclave in 24 hours

Galaxy

Yes traditional families structures are terrible for children of course.

As 'traditional family structure' in the context of far right beliefs means one biologically male and one biologically female living together (preferably in wedlock) bringing up offspring and rejection of any other sort of family structure (single parents, same sex parents, trans parents) I'd like to assume that your approval of the 'traditional' structure doesn't necessarily exclude the others in the same way that the 'far right' does?

Wyllow3

Probably this man

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayor-President_of_Ceuta

With huge powers because if its unusual situation and is centre right party as opposed to the current Spanish PM.

This is your conspiracy theory is it?😁

But if one of the definitions of being far right is something that most people believe then we might have a problem.
That definition is mostly how I raised my children. Ceryainly in early years Is none far right to have no moral framework to bring up children ? Might be quite useful to unpick these definitions.

It depends whether you believe you can be defined by one of your beliefs I guess.

This is the definition of traditional family values that the far right aspire to:

Core Structure and Beliefs
Nuclear Family: A household consisting of a legally married man and woman living with their biological or adopted children.
Defined Roles: Traditional distinctions between parental responsibilities, often including a working provider and a homemaking or child-rearing parent.
Faith and Morality: Regular religious practice, spiritual education, and a shared moral framework that defines right from wrong.

No of course not but that does mean I am far right.

It’s just the definition Galaxy, not a commentary on whether it is right or wrong?

Yes traditional families structures are terrible for children of course.

and the subgroups:
Radical Right: Groups that use populist and illiberal ideas but still operate within democratic systems.
Extreme Right: Groups that completely reject democratic values, sometimes promoting violence or illegal actions to achieve their goals, such as historic fascists or modern neo-Nazi cells.

This is the modern definition of far right according to Crest Research and Wikipedia nanna8.

Core Beliefs
Strict Nationalism: Believes the nation should be defined by a single dominant culture, race, or religion, viewing diversity as a threat to society.
Anti-Immigration: Opposes immigration and multiculturalism, often wanting to close borders or send foreign-born people back.
Traditional Values: Wants a return to old social rules, strict hierarchies, and traditional family structures.

The term far right should only be used when the people are really that way inclined. I’m talking people who go round giving Nazi salutes and inciting hatred and violence towards Jews, Muslims, Christians and other people they don’t agree with. Now it is just used by people , mostly on the left, to describe those they just don’t agree with. It has been diluted so now it is just annoying and doesn’t point to the real danger . Probably I will get labelled as far right for saying this which would just prove my point. Maybe think about it.

No I am not pretending it doesn't exist, I think it is incredibly dangerous that that is what has happened.

But it is too late, I heard it just last week ( not someone I knew) saying if that makes me far right so be it.
Honestly many people just don't care anymore. And I don't blame them.

Far right does means something in the European political landscape, it is accurate to describe the Italian government as a far right one, for example, and it’s a nonsense to pretend that as a political movement it doesn’t exist - the term just needs to be used in the right context.

Galaxy

Yes and it is particularly dangerous that far right means nothing but thats what happens when it is used for anyone we don't agree with.

Do you prefer extreme right? As we are talking about Spain, how would you describe the politics of Franco, for example?
If we talk about centre right and centre left, far or extreme seems to be reasonable as a description for left or right, but I agree it should be used with knowledge and accuracy of someone's declared particular views or actions.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck ……I’m pretty sure many of us on GN know exactly what far right means, it doesn’t mean nothing and there are plenty of people I disagree with that I wouldn’t call far right - you for one

Yes and it is particularly dangerous that far right means nothing but thats what happens when it is used for anyone we don't agree with.

Which phrase would you prefer as an acceptable substitute for 'far right' nanna?
But only if you wish to comment.

Nana8 Most of them have already been returned (according to today’s news) …. it was a days outing, an excitement, a thought of the possibility to get away from poverty, to find a job, a new home , to get somewhere in life, but it didn’t work and some were drowned in the exercise

I wonder what our young men would do if they had no prospects, no hand outs and no future, only continued poverty .

I am sick to death of hearing the words ‘far right’ It means nothing, just baiting people.

Probably this man

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayor-President_of_Ceuta

With huge powers because if its unusual situation and is centre right party as opposed to the current Spanish PM.

What I don't understand is, that if there's only a total of 15 thousand 20 - 30 year olds, male and female, from the Moroccan town in question, where did all the others come from? Who coordinated it on such a scale?

The Ministry for Housing, Communities and Local Government (MHCLG) has said that it would be illegal for a political party to pay for an election else the independence and impartiality of the electoral process in compromised.

Individuals or groups can make voluntary payments to government but they cannot be ring-fenced to pay for specific costs or events.

The online instructions say you must provide:

Confirmation that the monies being donated are your own (or your business’s) to give and are not the proceeds of crime, money laundering or other illegal activity.

… which would present a bit of a problem for Reform.

The election will cost over £275.000.
To the very taxpayers of Frinton.

Farage/Reform has offered to pay.

Can you get much more corrupt than an MP standing down to force an unwanted by -election and funding it himself? Have they no idea how that comes across

Yes it was. Very suspicious. Very convenient. I suspect the Spanish far right and international links.

I like the idea of Binface as immigrant but don't think it the best plot.

Binface et al need to use the 42% reduction and just lots of reminding about Farage's corruption.

Notice, btw - so far - not a peep from his once bessie friend Trump or even, as far as I am aware, Musk or Vance He's too dirty*

vegansrock

Most of those were young men- teenagers even. Maybe a social media induced flash mob for a bit of summer fun.

Possibly that could be it, but ended up not so funny for several of them.

It was obviously well orchestrated for whatever reason.