Professor Jason Arday - plagiarism etc

To M0nica post

Assuming I am understand you correctly, I presume that once someone gets promoted, the things claimed, and assumed verified previously, would not be looked at and questioned again? ifyswim.

Sorry phone gremlins

It is numerous organisations po8ntibg out concerns unless we are now saying they are all institutionally racist, and Wateraid, etc.

Just because someone is racially prejudiced does to mean that every thing they say is untrue. merely that they will highlight any information they find that is to the disadvantage of the person accused - and the information this man found was pretty damning

I still do not understand how some one could be appointed a professor, other than an honorary one, whose academic attainments were not already well known and proven to those involved with appointing him.

Professor Jason Arday is still currently employed as the Professor of Sociology of Education at the University of Cambridge. The serious allegations of academic misconduct against him are being scrutinised and investigated. The University of Cambridge states they are taking these matters "extremely seriously”.

The outcome no doubt will be reported when available, in high profile if founded but likely a lower profile if not. If the allegations are founded I would imagine Cambridge University has the appropriate sanctions in place. If some or all claims are founded, and if that results in loss of employment- that would result in his post becoming vacant.

Any previous unsuccessful applicants will be able to apply on merit to a vacant post that may result.

I generally find those obsessed with identity politics treat those from these groups in the most bizarre manner I have ever seen.

On the clearly related subject:

I don't think we can avoid a degree of Identity Politics. After all, the phrase "woke" originated in US black politics where leaders in the Black movement urged both black and white people who were aware of the quite gross racism in the USA to "wake up".

Similarly, I can't be the only one who recalls from Women's struggles in the 1970's who made it quite clear "The Personal Is Political.

How men treated women, how all at the time treated gay people, and so on, at the time, could not be divided into the personal and the political.

*Both are aspects of both social change and how we relate to each other. How we treat each other. How society treats or values us. What measure are taken or laws are passed in order to give equal opportunities

- not to mention what we still have not achieved, freedoms from abuse/bullying at work and in the home.

That is not to say Identity politics are more important than the wider measures society chooses to take: rather, that they are inseparable.

There are three universities disputing claims Arday is making in his online profile and the charity wateraid is also questioning claims he made.

There is a case reported in the papers today about a man who falsely claimed an Oxford degree to obtain a string of senior posts in the NHS.Not only that he claimed so much sick leave, in some of the jobs he was off sick more days than he worked.I deduce these were mainly fixed time contract jobs.

I do not understand why employers are not asking to see original certificates and talking to past employers.

When I was working back in the 1980s and 90s, It was the norm to ask for a sight of any certificates and on at least one occasion, my new employer contacted my current employer to check the information on my current role was correct.

On one occasion - and this was a university, I was asked for transcripts of my degrees - what subjects my degree included and what were my marks.

At various times I was contacted by potential employers of my own present or past staff, wanting to confirm information they had given.

I don't consider my post offensive, but I am open to you reporting it Primrose. (Truly).

If we read what Lemonjam is reporting and the still needed disintangements, then there is a "lot more to the story"

Galaxy

It isn't actually the man himself who is the problem, it is those who accepted the claims.
I have been made aware of 2 people who lost jobs to Arday, I would also be very interested as to what happened to any whistleblowers who tried to question the claims, this isn't victimless.

But we do know about the person who made the accusations of plagiarism in Arday's work. That person is called Cofnas, a US researcher. His job at a Cambridge college was terminated after backlash to his view that under a true meritocracy black people would disappear from almost all high-profile positions outside of sports and entertainment.

He was thus dismissed because of his anti black people beliefs- not because of making claims of plagiarism against Arday. Cofnas is accountable for his own actions as is Arday, as are we all.

It isn't actually the man himself who is the problem, it is those who accepted the claims.
I have been made aware of 2 people who lost jobs to Arday, I would also be very interested as to what happened to any whistleblowers who tried to question the claims, this isn't victimless.

Wyllow3

*I think the O/P is maybe designed to make us consider one example because it is race relatedal though the case of the "war hero" was mentioned. It is intended to mock and demean.

And I always get suspicious of this "using the card" phrase - its used also for example in "use the Mental Health Card". they are both in my mind a pretty useless phrases.

Too widely applied, across too many cases. I think .... better to look at any case as an individual one,

Just as we did for the man who pretended to have been at Hiroshima.

What "card" was he playing, according to these "playing the card" "rules".

OK, to my mind, inadequate male card if you have to slap a label in, but what's the point?

Who has the right to label thus when all around are very complicated webs of self importance and the need to have it

what he did was clearly out of order. I see some mind problems in there: others may not. We've all been clear what we think of the actual actions. *but to bring the "cards" out, now thats just pejorative to me.

Since I was the OP I take offence at what you are saying about my post. I gave plenty of other examples of fraudsters like Arday and I never once mentioned “playing the race card”. AN apology would be nice!

Arday’s claims are getting worse by the day as more and more people unearth old footage etc. He really did think he was untouchable. I know he’s NOT in the same category as the vile Jimmy Savile but he became a national treasure and thought he was untouchable too.

The usual, look over there, someone else has done abc, biases of multiple persuasions, distract with something, belittle somethings, all coming out on this thread.

Shortly there will be arguments.
And deletions of some sort or another.

Plagiarism is a widespread issue in higher education with self-reported surveys indicating that roughly 20% to 60% of university students admit to committing some form of plagiarism or academic dishonesty during their studies. Roughly 2.9% of professional academic researchers admit to instances of plagiarism.

Its notable that accusations of plagiarism in Arday's work were first voiced by Cofnas, a US researcher whose role at a Cambridge college was terminated after backlash to his view that under a true meritocracy black people would disappear from almost all high-profile positions outside of sports and entertainment

Cofnas claimed on Substack that he had put Arday's work through a plagiarism detection software, which found that "many passages are lifted with minimal editing, sometimes retaining copy-editing mistakes from the original source”. Cofnas reproduced several tracts of Arday's PhD dissertation which he said the software had found to be copied verbatim or lightly rephrased from prior academic works by other authors.

It was Cofnas that went to the media to sell his story and claims a man whose believes all black people would disappear from almost all high-profile positions outside of sports and entertainment

This controversy in the media has attracted a range of opinions, including within the academic community.
More than 12,000 people - including Green Party leader Zack Polanski, at least five Labour MPs and some Cambridge academics - have signed a petition set up by the Good Law Project supporting Arday. Kehinde Andrews, professor of black studies at Birmingham City University, said Arday was the victim of a "smear campaign" that was "as predictable as it is baseless", while Alan Lester, a University of Sussex geography professor who specialises in colonialism, called it a “non-story".

Simon Baron-Cohen - a cognitive neuroscientist and fellow at Trinity College, Cambridge - raised concerns about the impact the media coverage was having on Arday. We should of course always investigate plagiarism to protect academic standards. However, I cannot stand by and watch when an autistic man is on the ground and the kicking continues. This is relentless bullying of a vulnerable autistic man and raises safe-guarding issues. It's time to stop

My view as a result is to reserve personal judgement whilst the respective institutions investigate Cofnas claims of plagiarism against Arday.

*I think the O/P is maybe designed to make us consider one example because it is race relatedal though the case of the "war hero" was mentioned. It is intended to mock and demean.

And I always get suspicious of this "using the card" phrase - its used also for example in "use the Mental Health Card". they are both in my mind a pretty useless phrases.

Too widely applied, across too many cases. I think .... better to look at any case as an individual one,

Just as we did for the man who pretended to have been at Hiroshima.

What "card" was he playing, according to these "playing the card" "rules".

OK, to my mind, inadequate male card if you have to slap a label in, but what's the point?

Who has the right to label thus when all around are very complicated webs of self importance and the need to have it

what he did was clearly out of order. I see some mind problems in there: others may not. We've all been clear what we think of the actual actions. *but to bring the "cards" out, now thats just pejorative to me.

MawsRosie

Whitewavemark2

Plagiarism has always been a big issue in all universities - world wide.

Not sure why this has attracted so much attention.

What do posters think of the other instances and how they were dealt with?

Surely the extent in this case?
And the song and dance publicity he has courted along with the fantastical claims?
Then factor in the accusations of racism if anybody raised any queries- he was asking to be found out.
The higher they climb, the harder they fall !

Ah - I see.

Hands up those who were aware of his existence before this week, and yet suddenly everyone is an expert on Professor Jarday.

Such fun.

thing not think

To Whitewave2 post

Quite.
And very easily done.

Racism card - yes he has been using that. A lot it seems.

Fantasy or narcissism. Personally do not think they are the same think.

Whitewavemark2

Plagiarism has always been a big issue in all universities - world wide.

Not sure why this has attracted so much attention.

What do posters think of the other instances and how they were dealt with?

Surely the extent in this case?
And the song and dance publicity he has courted along with the fantastical claims?
Then factor in the accusations of racism if anybody raised any queries- he was asking to be found out.
The higher they climb, the harder they fall !

Plagiarism has always been a big issue in all universities - world wide.

Not sure why this has attracted so much attention.

What do posters think of the other instances and how they were dealt with?

He certainly had a meteoric rise through University promotions, but equally spent very little time in each post, which usually indicates the only way to get rid of someone who comes highly recommended but proves to be a disappointment is s further promotion, elsewhere.

GrannyGravy13

He has definitely (in my opinion) enjoyed the adoration of being in the spotlight, youngest professor etc.,

Not sure he will enjoy it so much now the truths are being exposed.

Falling from a height is no going to do him any favours is it in terms of his self worth and his worth in the eyes of others. Icarus comes to mind.