Coming a close second to the daft idea of Britishness - is the idea to turf all non- British people out of all social housing.

Silvershadow

My solution would have been to airlift them if it was totally necessary and the jury is out on that...

Which jury?

When the Western-backed government collapsed, the Taliban gained access to data - ministry payrolls and local employment records - that were left behind. This allowed them to construct a precise 'kill' list. If the collaborators or interpreters, couldn't be found because they'd gone into hiding - their families would be targeted instead.

That's the reality on the ground. Still.

Silvershadow

Whitewavemark2

silvershadow

OK.

Now I put the question back to you.

Our troops spent years in Afghanistan and often survived only because of the bravery of Afghans who were supporting them.

It was known that if the Taliban got hold of these Afghans they would be tortured and put to death along with their families.

What would your solution have been?

My solution would have been to airlift them if it was totally necessary and the jury is out on that, put them in barracks for three months and if they wanted more to go out and earn it like the rest of us do. And to be 100% certain there are no Taliban or criminals amongst them. Limit it to immediate family and no more than four. Once their country recovers they go back.

What’s your solution?

My solution is what happened.

In 2021, the Government made a covenant with Afghan citizens who had served our nation's interests by working with our Armed Forces and diplomatic services. This was a covenant that they would be resettled with their family members in the UK under the Afghan Relocations and Assistance Policy (ARAP).

And they worked and contributed to our society

Immediate Permission: Individuals arriving under official routes like the Afghan Relocations and Assistance Policy (ARAP) or the Afghan citizens resettlement scheme received Indefinite Leave to Remain or full settled status right away. This status includes full, unrestricted rights to take up employment or self-employment, just like a UK-born citizen.

Wyllow3

Carers often get paid between mimimim wage which is is £12.71 per hour for workers aged 21 and over.

The Agency I used a while, a known one Home Instead, paid around £13 and hour and £15 for qualified/experienced ones.

You could not get a place for that in many area nanna

Because they not often not paid for the travelling time either.

😡

Wyllow3

Carers often get paid between mimimim wage which is is £12.71 per hour for workers aged 21 and over.

I know this thread is about 'Britishness' and housing, but that really is shocking isn't it?

In 1995, I emigrated to Norway where I worked until retirement. When I left the UK, I was paid between £11 and £12 per hour as a 'bog-standard' shorthand-typist, 'temping' locally. It wasn't a minimum wage, but considered average at the time.

So, 31 years later, carers - who have a heck of a responsibility tied to their job - earn only 71p per hour more than I earned, in many cases?

I know the two jobs are not comparable, but, it does give a perspective on the general stagnation of wages over the last 30 years or so.

... and at that time, we were in temporary private rented accommodation which, by today's standards anyway, was affordable.

A friend, who also works as a carer and is in private rented accommodation, has just had a rent increase of £100 per month. Her landlord, who owns a number of properties as well as a chain of local pharmacies, cares not one jot that her budget is already stretched to its maximum - he can always find another tenant who will pay...

This is the real problem isn't it - the lack of affordable housing for a working population which contains many whose wages are simply too low and whose rents are too high?

Silvershadow

What about all the Afghans air lifted over with very large families, some up to 20, who were housed. They didn’t wait years and years for housing.

The list given by DaisyAnne is how it should be allocated and how it was allocated but is no longer.

Which list are you referring to Silvershadow?

It won’t help the shortage of housing with low or subsidised rental market to turf anyone out of these homes but what should be done is to say from now on those in need of social housing (if British )will be at the front of the queue when a house or flat becomes available.

That already happens

Whitewavemark2

That already happens

Not always as councils say it depends on need.

Look at the protocols.

I think you will find that LAs have strict guidance relating to housing for local people and immigrants.

The protocols outline very clearly how immigrants must be treated regarding housing.

I have now looked, and as I thought, all LA’s are different and much is done on need.You can google this easily enough.

Need. tbh I don't have a problem in resources being allocated on the basis of "need". Perhaps that's because I see another human being equal in terms of their value rather on the basis of where they were born or who their parents were.

If immigrants aren’t allowed to work they would be forced to steal to stay alive. If they aren’t allowed somewhere to live they would be sleeping rough on our streets.

wayrtmeadows

Unfortunately that is exactly what is happening. Rough sleepers - the majority now are asylum seekers.

Oreo

I have now looked, and as I thought, all LA’s are different and much is done on need.You can google this easily enough.

All LAs are not different in as much as they must follow the law. The protocols as you will be aware outline this.

Silvershadow

We aren’t talking about data breaches are we. We are talking about council or social housing being allocated to migrants before British families. Reading this article tells us there’s many of them, some of whom could be criminals but theyre just not too sure about that. Nevertheless they’ve all been housed, the taxpayers are paying, so it’s all ok then.

You are deflecting!

Deflecting is the norm on here from people who think they know it all. 😉

Those of us who live in the real world know what’s going on and whatever is said about treating British people fairly regarding social housing is not correct.

Is that opinion or based on data?

I live in the real world, Primrose.

A flat nearby was put over to the council for emergency housing between 2018 and 2023. During that time six families lived there for various lengths of time. Only one family, father and daughter, were white English, the other five were various nationalities, some being poor English speakers. One woman even made the excuse that her husband couldn't get a job because he couldn't speak English, so they and most of the others were clearly living on benefits. 🙄

Don't ask me for evidence. It is lived experience from the real world

Oreo

Whitewavemark2

That already happens

Not always as councils say it depends on need.

They do but you seem to be missing the fact that there are two conditions not one. They are lawful residence and eligibility. I really can't see your issue with this.

Primrose53

Silvershadow

We aren’t talking about data breaches are we. We are talking about council or social housing being allocated to migrants before British families. Reading this article tells us there’s many of them, some of whom could be criminals but theyre just not too sure about that. Nevertheless they’ve all been housed, the taxpayers are paying, so it’s all ok then.

You are deflecting!

Deflecting is the norm on here from people who think they know it all. 😉

Those of us who live in the real world know what’s going on and whatever is said about treating British people fairly regarding social housing is not correct.

Why is your world "real" and others not, Primrose? My world feels very "real".

We all live in the real world, but look to the law and guidelines it lays down.
Anecdotal experience of "one flat nearby" or "impressions of" come up against those guidelines. Criminals come from all backgrounds, outward criminals and domestic violence too.

I take issue with the tale of the flat inasmuch as the "One woman even made the excuse that her husband couldn't get a job because he couldn't speak English, so they and most of the others were clearly living on benefits"

Could equally apply to a home grown White British family except the speaking English and it could be... a "bad back"..or a genuine hidden disability or equally there could be criminality. Why do we evade this sort of fact life when it is white people?

Where are the shocked O/P's?

Clearly everyone doesn’t live in the real world. I described one flat and its occupancy over a period of five years, where the six families living there were all foreign except one. That is happening all over in the real world, and yet here you immediately ‘take issue with it’ and try to point a finger at white British people which of course isn’t racist.

Those families (from various countries) were being supported by the local council, i.e. British tax payers. In this area we pay 35% of our Council Tax on adult social care and another 23% on children, making 58% on social care. No wonder there is nothing left for repairing potholes and other parts of our broken society.

In the real world I have lived in flats before and there are always always difficulties with some neighbours as there can be in suburbia whatever the background is all I can say. Is that not just life?

Who mentioned difficulties? This is about taxpayers funding people from all over the world at the expense of our own citizens and our own infrastructure.

Chestnut

Who mentioned difficulties? This is about taxpayers funding people from all over the world at the expense of our own citizens and our own infrastructure.

If you know that the council is prioritising immigrants over white British nationals, regardless of need - which is I assume what you're saying - then maybe you ought to take this further?

... your local MP - the media?

Well who knows what the level of need is for each family. I'm just pointing out that five out of six families who were emergency housed by the council during a period of five years were non-British. They were not new arrivals, they were living somewhere before and some had jobs.

Chestnut

Clearly everyone doesn’t live in the real world. I described one flat and its occupancy over a period of five years, where the six families living there were all foreign except one. That is happening all over in the real world, and yet here you immediately ‘take issue with it’ and try to point a finger at white British people which of course isn’t racist.

Those families (from various countries) were being supported by the local council, i.e. British tax payers. In this area we pay 35% of our Council Tax on adult social care and another 23% on children, making 58% on social care. No wonder there is nothing left for repairing potholes and other parts of our broken society.

Nobody is saying your experience wasn't real. If six families in one flat over five years were mostly foreign-born, then that's your observation. The question is whether that single experience is enough to draw conclusions about the country as a whole.

Saying "people don't live in the real world" because they ask for broader evidence isn't fair. Different people have different experiences, and anecdotes can point to an issue without proving how widespread it is.

Likewise, the claim that council tax is high because of those families needs evidence. Adult social care is primarily driven by an ageing population, disability services, and care costs, while children's services cover a wide range of responsibilities. If the argument is that immigration is a major driver of those costs, that should be supported with data rather than assumed.