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Has the Conservative Party peaked after so many years and what can Badenoch do to lead it away from its current decline?

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LemonJam Sun 09-Aug-26 10:54:15

There is a recent election result that tells a story of Conservative decline along with a series of decisions that confirm that, when it comes to both strategy and judgment, Badenoch is lacking.

Start with the Get Manchester Mayoral contest from a week ago. For many, the standout fact of the byelection to replace Andy Burnham as mayor of Greater Manchester was that Reform came a very poor second, taking just 21% of the vote to Labour’s 47%. A crushing defeat for Nigel Farage’s party, which a matter of weeks earlier had talked up its chances of winning the mayoralty.

But run your finger further down the vote tally until it finally reaches the Conservative candidate on a mere 7.7%. In all the previous mayoral contests in Greater Manchester, the Tories were in second place. This time they were fifth behind Restore Britain a party of the hard right. A Tory result that bad among such a large electorate of 3 million people suggests not merely that Badenoch is making slow progress, but that she is moving her party backwards.

Her strategic response to this competition on the right has been to move towards her rivals, hoping to blunt the appeal of the nationalist populist parties by matching their offer . The latest step came late on Thursday with, as the Telegraph billed it, a Tory “promise to end council housing for foreigners”. Badenoch’s pledge is to evict almost 230,000 non-EU foreign national households from their homes.

Never mind that many of those turfed out will include people who have been living, working and paying taxes in Britain for years. Once evicted, those families, including their children, will be rendered homeless, leaving local councils with the choice of either abandoning them to the streets or providing much costlier emergency accommodation. Consider the timing.

Badenoch decided the right moment to demand foreigners be kicked out of their homes was as the Norfolk town of Thetford entered its third night of violence and disorder, triggered by a mob surrounding the accommodation of suspected asylum seekers, some in the crowd trying to force their way in, as others threw rocks and chanted: “We want them out.” Into this tinderbox of a situation walked the Conservative party leader, clutching a petrol can.

Just a day or two earlier, she had been defending the selection as a Somerset council candidate of Joshua Bonehill-Paine, a man who has served long jail sentences for, among other things, a sustained campaign of antisemitic harassment and abuse of the Jewish former MP Luciana Berger, a campaign that saw Berger branded an “evil money-grabber”, her face superimposed on the body of a rat and photographs of her doctored into multiple, sexualised images. He has offered no apology to Berger. Badenoch herself conceded that Bonehill-Paine would not have cleared the threshold to become an MP but serving as a councillor was different, she explained, as he would be responsible for nothing more than “parking and bins” – thereby, and at a stroke, insulting the many thousands of Conservatives who devote themselves to public service in their local communities. She then appoints him to a national party advisor role.

Badenoch surely must realise she can’t outperform Reform- so what should she do instead to stop her party’s decline

David49 Wed 12-Aug-26 16:56:02

MayBee70

FranP

I have never liked the Tory Thatcherism - I'm OK because all you have to do is work harder and you will succeed.

But I do like Kemi and am sad that she is a Toy, because at heart she is quite socialist in her views. Her opinions that if you want to be British you have to change to fit in and leave your baggage behind is quite refreshing.
She does talk a lot of plain common sense, but sadly she is backed by a team, if you can call it that of backstabbers. She will never be allowed to stand as PM for the next election

Socialist?

Certainly not right wing, let's say soft right, I dont see her winning anything, but will any others pick up the poisoned chalice.

MayBee70 Wed 12-Aug-26 16:00:53

FranP

I have never liked the Tory Thatcherism - I'm OK because all you have to do is work harder and you will succeed.

But I do like Kemi and am sad that she is a Toy, because at heart she is quite socialist in her views. Her opinions that if you want to be British you have to change to fit in and leave your baggage behind is quite refreshing.
She does talk a lot of plain common sense, but sadly she is backed by a team, if you can call it that of backstabbers. She will never be allowed to stand as PM for the next election

Socialist?

FranP Wed 12-Aug-26 12:36:07

I have never liked the Tory Thatcherism - I'm OK because all you have to do is work harder and you will succeed.

But I do like Kemi and am sad that she is a Toy, because at heart she is quite socialist in her views. Her opinions that if you want to be British you have to change to fit in and leave your baggage behind is quite refreshing.
She does talk a lot of plain common sense, but sadly she is backed by a team, if you can call it that of backstabbers. She will never be allowed to stand as PM for the next election

Tuliptree Wed 12-Aug-26 12:04:52

People who want to leave the ECHR on the whole do not know enough about history and just see it as a quick dirty fix to the asylum seeker issue. Which it isn’t

MayBee70 Wed 12-Aug-26 09:27:00

I don’t understand why those people who want to leave the ECHR don’t seem to realise that it is protecting them, too. Or why they think that once that protection is removed they will not be vulnerable themselves. First they came for etc etc confused…

David49 Wed 12-Aug-26 08:26:52

MayBee70

Tuliptree

Yes they left before they were expelled - it was the military Junta ( 1967-74) - torture, executions, loss of all civil liberties, , no elections, no free press ( obvs). But hey - human right are for wimps and the sky didn’t fall in

Well, it’ll be worth it if it stops the boats confused…

There are plenty of countries that are virtual dictatorships today that you can visit as a tourist, but don't get involved in political activity or you will be on the plane back home very quickly.

LemonJam Tue 11-Aug-26 18:10:26

Manchester by election was highlighted amongst other issues, as the recent Mayoral by election as in the three Mayoral elections Conservatives came second place and this time either place behind Reform and Restore. Manchester is also such a large electorate of 3 million. Happy to outline all by-election results since last General Election though:

There have been 6 by elections since the 2024 General election counting Clacton- 5 if not.

Labour Andy Burham decisively won the Makerfield by election with an increased vote share of of 10%.

The Green Party won Gorton and Denton by election emphatically.

Reform UK won the Runcorn and Helsby by election from the Labour Party by 6 votes after a recount.

The SNP held Arbroath and Broughty Ferry in Scotland- a heartland of Scottish Nationalism.

Scotland had a clear win in the Aberdeen South by election from SNP. Aberdeen South is the wealthiest suburb in Scotland. It was Conservative for 70 years then interrupted with the rise of Scottish Nationalism. Then back to Conservative in 2017- then SNP. By election took place at height of SNP embezzlement details hitting the press and court case plus the decline of Scottish Labour also played a part.

sarahcyn Tue 11-Aug-26 16:45:16

I have been a Conservative voter, often through very gritted teeth, all my life and will definitely vote for Kemi even though she's not doing a huge amount to appeal to leftist Tories such as myself.
The OP speaks of the Manchester by-election but completely ignores the fact that on the same day the Tories took Aberdeen South from the SNP, the first time the Tories have won a by-election in Scotland since the early 1970s.
I agree that there are trad conservative voters who are bigoted enough to dislike the idea of a black woman leading their party; to whom I would say that there are now two, no three (if you count Laurence Fox) parties they can join - and good bloody luck to them. The one upside of the rise of Recycle, Reuse and Reduce or whatever they call themselves, is that we can finally get rid of the racists. Hooray!

JenniRen Tue 11-Aug-26 11:02:51

As an aside, Victoria Hislop's novel The Figurine is set during the period 1967-74, the time of the military Junta in Greece.

I remember it happening. This novel captures the atmosphere of that time well.

Tuliptree Tue 11-Aug-26 10:36:15

Well I had the advantage of being politically active and aware when it was happening - along with Franco in Spain and the fascist dictatorship in Portugal. When these all came to an end, the choice of holiday destinations blossomed.

MaizieD Tue 11-Aug-26 10:17:57

Tuliptree

Yes they left before they were expelled - it was the military Junta ( 1967-74) - torture, executions, loss of all civil liberties, , no elections, no free press ( obvs). But hey - human right are for wimps and the sky didn’t fall in

Yes, looking at the dates it had crossed my mind that the Greek Junta had something to do with Greece leaving the ECHR but I was too idle to investigate.

Thanks for doing the work, Tt grin

Cath9 Tue 11-Aug-26 09:02:14

I doubt it will make much difference if she reminds voters that the Conservatives were going to send the illegal immigrants to Rwanda and hopefully would have been more particular on the illegal immigrants who are given reasons to remain.
Maybe I find the Labour attitude to illegal immigrants more difficult to accept considering the amount my son had to pay and for my dear daughter-in-law having to take three tests before she was able to become a resident of the uk.

Tuliptree Mon 10-Aug-26 21:59:13

MayBee - that took me minute. Indeed

MayBee70 Mon 10-Aug-26 21:55:00

Tuliptree

Yes they left before they were expelled - it was the military Junta ( 1967-74) - torture, executions, loss of all civil liberties, , no elections, no free press ( obvs). But hey - human right are for wimps and the sky didn’t fall in

Well, it’ll be worth it if it stops the boats confused…

Tuliptree Mon 10-Aug-26 21:50:43

Yes they left before they were expelled - it was the military Junta ( 1967-74) - torture, executions, loss of all civil liberties, , no elections, no free press ( obvs). But hey - human right are for wimps and the sky didn’t fall in

MayBee70 Mon 10-Aug-26 21:41:36

Tuliptree

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Greece chose to leave the ECHR in the 70’s.
The sky didn’t fall in.

Yes I do realise we in the UK are European. Of course.

And yes I also realise Reform UK have few MPs and Farage is unlikely to be our next PM. That said, I can no longer vote for the UniParty. I just can’t. Keep doing the same thing and expecting a different result is madness.

You do realise why Greece left the ECHR in 1970 and rejoined in 1974? In the interim I think a lot of Greek people thought the sky had fallen in

Not knowing about this I did a bit of googling ( not time to study it properly, got builders coming tomorrow) but am I right in thinking that Greece had to leave anyway because they were torturing people?

Tuliptree Mon 10-Aug-26 20:43:49

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Greece chose to leave the ECHR in the 70’s.
The sky didn’t fall in.

Yes I do realise we in the UK are European. Of course.

And yes I also realise Reform UK have few MPs and Farage is unlikely to be our next PM. That said, I can no longer vote for the UniParty. I just can’t. Keep doing the same thing and expecting a different result is madness.

You do realise why Greece left the ECHR in 1970 and rejoined in 1974? In the interim I think a lot of Greek people thought the sky had fallen in

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Mon 10-Aug-26 20:37:19

AI Overview Maybee

Greece has not completely solved its migrant challenges, though arrival numbers on certain routes have fallen due to aggressive deterrence policies. The country remains a primary entry point into Europe, balancing lower overall mainland pressures against shifting maritime routes, recurring spikes from North Africa,

MayBee70 Mon 10-Aug-26 20:33:01

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Greece chose to leave the ECHR in the 70’s.
The sky didn’t fall in.

Yes I do realise we in the UK are European. Of course.

And yes I also realise Reform UK have few MPs and Farage is unlikely to be our next PM. That said, I can no longer vote for the UniParty. I just can’t. Keep doing the same thing and expecting a different result is madness.

And did it solve the migrant problem?

Whitewavemark2 Mon 10-Aug-26 20:25:38

fgt not so. Gradually, the freedoms have been eroded, noticeably press freedom and civil space. So humanitarian groups are beginning to be criminalised. The Greek government uses spyware to spy on journalists, civil servants, politicians and private individuals.

There have been instances of torture and degrading treatment.

Whether that constitutes the sky falling in is a matter of opinion, but it looks pretty foggy from where I am sitting.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Mon 10-Aug-26 19:54:31

Greece chose to leave the ECHR in the 70’s.
The sky didn’t fall in.

Yes I do realise we in the UK are European. Of course.

And yes I also realise Reform UK have few MPs and Farage is unlikely to be our next PM. That said, I can no longer vote for the UniParty. I just can’t. Keep doing the same thing and expecting a different result is madness.

Graphite Mon 10-Aug-26 18:46:36

The UK cannot just leave the ECHR without repealing the Human Rights Act 1998.

Whatever nonsense Reform spouts (and its fans believe) it isn’t going to happen, nor least because Reform could never form a credible government. Even if it could, it would never get such a radical change past the House of Lords where it has no peers.

Under certain circumstances a bill can be passed without the agreement of the Lords. The Parliament Acts allow the Commons to send a bill for Royal Assent even if the Lords haven’t passed it, provided that certain conditions are met and not less than 13 months have passed since the bill initially received its second reading in the Commons. In practice, it’s very rare for the Parliament Acts to be used.

A Reform government would fail before the year was out so it’s all hot air from Farage and his unelected bag carrier Yusuf.

David49 Mon 10-Aug-26 18:43:11

At the next GE unless there is a major upset the result will be either Labour continue OR a right of center coalition, neither the Tories nor Reform are likely to get an outright majority, Reform will field a lot of candidates erode the Tory votes
but only win few more seats.

3 yrs is a very long time in politics

MaizieD Mon 10-Aug-26 18:25:36

Maremia

Does the USA have a Court of Human Rights?
Why shouldn't we stay with the European version?
After all, we may not be in the EU, at the moment, but we are still European.

And the ECHR has nothing to do with the EU. It is mere coincidence that it happens to cover some EU member states.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 10-Aug-26 17:53:08

MaizieD

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Oh don’t be silly Whitewave so much hyperbole in your post

Of course our grandchildren will have rights and protection

It’s just the European set of rules Reform UK would be leaving

I don't like to point this out to you, FGT, but we in Britain are European.

That Britain was instrumental in drawing up the European Convention on Human Rights.

That the ECHR is fundamental to the Good Friday Agreement. (not that peace in NI seems terribly important to many people)

That sensible people don't give up their rights unless they know that whatever replaces the convention we work under has been comprehensively worked out, publicly available and takes nothing away from the rights they already enjoy.

I remember you said much the same over Brexit fgt and look how that has turned out.

You will forgive me if I doubt your judgement.