Nigel Farage has won

All views are important otherwise this forum becomes like an echo chamber with everyone agreeing with each other, very boring.

I hope FGT and GG13 both stay and keep posting as they always have something interesting to say. Just keep posting and stick up for your beliefs. ☕🍰💐

So do I and I hope that the poster FGT won’t be too upset by what she has had to read on here.💐

I agree.

If someone has written something that is factually incorrect there are polite and informative ways to respond.
In this way people may learn. Hostility just makes the victim turn away.

There is never a need or excuse for nastiness as outside guidelines. There is a reporting mechanism if aa poster feels any posts are nasty or a 'pile on' that has gone beyond appropriate levels of N and P debate.

It's a given that N and P posts will contain forthright views, debate and views challenged- we see that daily from all sides. We all chose whether or not we post and on which Forums we post. The N and P forum style, debate and challenge does not suit everyone- or it may do sometimes but less so on days they are feeling low, vulnerable, tired, ill going through a difficult time etc. No poster can possibly be aware of what is going on in all posters lives at any given time either.

Those that are not aware of all facts and data on any N and P topic under discussion, for whatever reason, should not be driven away. Similarly those that incorporate facts and data in posts of the topic under discussion should not be driven away.

It's a given that facts and data have relevance to N and P topics- will be openly being debated and will be raised- from all directions.

There have been occasions I have posted a view and another poster has responded with facts that undermine my view. On that basis I'm happy to post that 'I stand corrected' as the facts had weight and I was not as up to date on the facts as the other poster.

On the other hand if someone seeks to undermine my personally held view on no factual basis, just because they have an alternative view, that is a different situation.

I an ideal world all posters should feel valued.

GG13 - Please don't leave!

Many of us appreciate your contributions and really value your perspective here. N&P won't be the same without you.

Please don't let a handful of aggressive voices drive you away. It is incredibly frustrating to see people hide behind demands for facts/data/evidence just as an excuse to lecture and bully others.

These threads need voices like yours to balance out the negativity,

GrannyGravy13

I think the nastiness on this thread is definitely not in the spirit of GN. It appears to be a pile on FriedGreenTomatoes2 for her political views, along with her being unaware of a political mor.

I have an interest in politics, I haven’t got an PPE degree, I also have and always have had an extremely busy and at times stressful life.

If I do not know everything that has ever happened in Westminster, so what it shouldn’t mean that I cannot comment on an item/thread or something I have read/heard in the news without researching it to the nth degree.

I think I will leave the N & P threads for others…

Agree GG13.

Having been away for a few days I'm late to this. Have to say, I'm beyond shocked at some of the nastiness that's apparent on this thread - particularly towards FGT by one poster. So what, if you have different political views - it doesn't give anyone the right to persistently attack another poster. Shameful.

I think the nastiness on this thread is definitely not in the spirit of GN. It appears to be a pile on FriedGreenTomatoes2 for her political views, along with her being unaware of a political mor.

I have an interest in politics, I haven’t got an PPE degree, I also have and always have had an extremely busy and at times stressful life.

If I do not know everything that has ever happened in Westminster, so what it shouldn’t mean that I cannot comment on an item/thread or something I have read/heard in the news without researching it to the nth degree.

I think I will leave the N & P threads for others…

I was worried about polanski. I don't think I am anymore, in my view that ship has sailed.

Oreo

Reform may be alarming, tho it seems they are losing popularity now but I think the Greens led by Zack Polanski are even more worrying.

Yes Polanski really worries me.

Oreo

Reform may be alarming, tho it seems they are losing popularity now but I think the Greens led by Zack Polanski are even more worrying.

👏👏👏 But that's for another thread.

And when that happens WW2, such a win for everyone.
🎊

So

Farage refused to turn up at the count because he “didn’t want to be demeaned and humiliated by nobodies”
You know the nobodies that he represents - both who voted for him and who didn’t.

Quite right Nige - leave that to the somebodies on the select Committee looking at your corrupt financial arrangements in parliament.

Reform may be alarming, tho it seems they are losing popularity now but I think the Greens led by Zack Polanski are even more worrying.

Tuliptree

Sorry Cossy but it’s not right to have different categories of standards. Not everyone chooses to share - you have, FGT has but that doesn’t give either of you a free pass to support far right politicians who want to destroy the NHS by not being informed about their financial donations. I know you don’t but FGT is a firm Reform supporter and has to take responsibility for her posts on that.

Do you ever think before you post? I can’t believe the callous comments you have come out with on this thread.

JenniRen

"The source was the Guardian, btw"

Not to be trusted obviously!
Stick to the Daily Mail.

😁

sundowngirl

Tuliptree - why do you continue to be so nasty?? There is a massive difference between correcting a fact and using it as an excuse to look down on people

Just stop

I doubt that will happen sundowngirl but you aren’t the only person to note it.
There are ways to correct a poster but sneering and being unpleasant isn’t one of them, neither is being superior.

Cossy

Tuliptree

I’m just tired tired tired of this sort of lack of knowledge.

Me too and it’s so so boring to constantly repeat oneself.

I feel the same on the immigration and refugee threads. 😕🙄

Everyone is entitled to hold unfounded opinions. They are not entitled to expect others to treat those opinions as though they were established facts.

Didn't Farage do one of his Cameo paid performances, where, on request, for money, he said 'Up the RA'.
If he did say that, for his Cameo price, I wonder what he might consider doing for five million?

'The last winning by election candidate who did not attend his count was Bobby Sands, and he was an IRA prisoner in the Maze Prison.” (1981)'...

Just jumping in to say that Count Binface has also won,
a show at the Edinburgh Festival.
👏 👏 👏

sundowngirl

Tuliptree - why do you continue to be so nasty?? There is a massive difference between correcting a fact and using it as an excuse to look down on people

Just stop

Ditto

Tuliptree - why do you continue to be so nasty?? There is a massive difference between correcting a fact and using it as an excuse to look down on people

Just stop

"The source was the Guardian, btw"

Not to be trusted obviously!
Stick to the Daily Mail.