Principality of Piddington

Galaxy

I would do what the government is doing now casdon and ensure people were placed into middle class villages. I think that will ensure things move pretty quickly.
I would stop calling everyone racist. I would be very clear to champion western values and not pretend they dont exist. I would look at what happens to some communities when demographic change is visited upon them, I would ask whether we actually have multiculturalism or rather have a range of monocultures living alongside each other ( I cant take the credit for that phrase). I would also wonder why if an idea was imposed on others by a progressive elite, why the 'ordinary people' should come up with a solution to a problem they didnt create.
I think it is a much bigger issue than asylum seekers, the concerns around that are a symptom so to speak. I am the daughter of an immigrant and to be honest this issue has zero impact on my life but I understand that isnt the case for others.

I don’t disagree with any of your ideas, but I don’t think they would appease the people who have been primed to believe that it’s possible to turn off a tap and stop people entering the country immediately.

MT62

Casdon

It’s always going to be a risk that MoD facilities will be used, and people in Piddington must have been aware of that when they moved into their homes. I’m not unsympathetic, but as somebody who lives near a number of military bases myself, I know that an element of uncertainty about what that might mean goes with the territory.

How could they know it would ever be used to house migrants?
Especially people living there ten years or more!

The whole point is that you have no idea what will be the required use, do you? Prisoners of war, undercover activities, troops, whatever.

AGAA4

Some towns have been used to accommodate asylum seekers and are full of HMOs. These are often towns where the population is not well off.
I don't know if crime figures are higher in these places.
The government decided that it was unfair to send asylum seekers to poorer towns and wealthier parts should share the burden.
I doubt if hundreds of asylum seekers will be bussed into Piddington. There would be nothing there for them. More likely if bussed anywhere to go to a larger town or city.
If they are over 4 miles away and in a secure setting I can't see how much Piddington will be affected.

Nothing there for them? There are woman! Won’t they be looking for a girlfriend, all these red blooded males?

Because it was going to be in the past and only shelved by the new Tory government in 2010 as part of its austerity drive.

In June 2010, the newly appointed Immigration Minister, Damian Green, officially scrapped the project. The government deemed the facility "unaffordable under current plans”.

Under current plans. That doesn't mean forever.

Anyone who lived in Piddington before that would have known about it and anyone who has moved there since would surely have heard about it. When you move to new place you do your homework or have your solicitors do it.

As people don't want asylum seekers in hotels what's the alternative?

With the military still active on the site, it will be secure. Asylum seekers are not detained but they are still supervised. They will be bussed into nearby towns and cities during the day as they are from other military sites which are used for the same purpose.

I did suggest more police supervision but you want to live in a liberal democracy, thats not going to happen so we have to suffer the consequences of more harassment.

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The planning documents explain why the site was chosen (as opposed to hotel accommodation which the public vehemently objects to):

The site forms part of a former Defence Storage and Distribution Centre east of Bicester, accessed from the B4011 and opposite HMP Bullingdon.

The use of the former MOD site at Bicester provides a more controlled and operationally resilient alternative that helps mitigate cohesion and public order risks. Unlike hotels located within, or immediately adjacent to, town centres and residential neighbourhoods, Bicester is a on an established military estate, with defined boundaries and gated access from B4011, enabling robust security management and controlled movement in and out of the site. Additionally, Bicester is to provide coordinated service provision and management and will subsequently reduce cumulative impacts on multiple communities from using hotels. Furthermore, the layout and infrastructure are designed for communal use unlike hotels which are not intended for sustained residential accommodation.

As I understand it, part of MOD Bicester is still operational as a military base housing 1 Regiment RLC, a regiment of the British Army's Royal Logistic Corps.

Genuine question. If you live or move to a village close to a military base and a prison for male offenders including a YOI, why is this latest plan so problematic?

Here is the link to the planning documents:

www.cherwell.gov.uk/info/118/communities/1404/site-a---bicester-garrison-home-office-proposals

Because they aren’t prisoners. They are free to come & go as they please.
I don’t know if there is a curfew in the evenings, or not.

Casdon

It’s always going to be a risk that MoD facilities will be used, and people in Piddington must have been aware of that when they moved into their homes. I’m not unsympathetic, but as somebody who lives near a number of military bases myself, I know that an element of uncertainty about what that might mean goes with the territory.

How could they know it would ever be used to house migrants?
Especially people living there ten years or more!

I would do what the government is doing now casdon and ensure people were placed into middle class villages. I think that will ensure things move pretty quickly.
I would stop calling everyone racist. I would be very clear to champion western values and not pretend they dont exist. I would look at what happens to some communities when demographic change is visited upon them, I would ask whether we actually have multiculturalism or rather have a range of monocultures living alongside each other ( I cant take the credit for that phrase). I would also wonder why if an idea was imposed on others by a progressive elite, why the 'ordinary people' should come up with a solution to a problem they didnt create.
I think it is a much bigger issue than asylum seekers, the concerns around that are a symptom so to speak. I am the daughter of an immigrant and to be honest this issue has zero impact on my life but I understand that isnt the case for others.

Cossy

Plevey08

I'm not keen on long documents either. Had too many when I was working.
I hope your grandson is okay.

Thank you x He’s “stable” 🩵

Good.

sundowngirl

fancythat I totally understand where you are coming from. I also don’t have time or energy to read these long winded documents or the multiple paragraphs copied and pasted from ChatGPT

We know why there are coming to the UK - it’s the ‘pull factor’ even Macron agrees

In that case, it’s only reasonable to expect that others who have taken the time to do so will disagree with you on the basis of the facts they have gathered and you haven’t, then, isn’t it?

Oops forgot the photo.

Nobody has really addressed the issue of the risk to girls and women.

Under FOI the information regarding the sexual assaults attacks and rapes on women from foreign nationals is not collected, it was stated that the nationality of victims but not of perpetrators was recorded. (See photo)

Women and school girls have been handed rape alarms in some areas where migrants are housed.
Migrants have been handed booklets outlining the law and explaining consent.

I too would be very concerned about my daughter or granddaughter living near migrant accommodation.

Oh and finally……. Yes I know plenty of women are attacked by British nationals but it does seem the attacks by migrants are disproportionate but the government won’t give us the stats so we will never know.

fancythat I totally understand where you are coming from. I also don’t have time or energy to read these long winded documents or the multiple paragraphs copied and pasted from ChatGPT

We know why there are coming to the UK - it’s the ‘pull factor’ even Macron agrees

CarrotTop

It seems to me that this probably isn't about "fairness" of placement", it's more about shoe-horning people in wherever they can. The whole immigration system needs a huge overhaul, but where to start? The current situation reminds me of John Lanchester's novel "The Wall". When I read it in about 2020, I'd have said it couldn't happen in reality -- but now . . .?

We can start by stopping any more boats reaching our shores, we can leave the ECHR, we can deport everyone that came by boat, we can stop giving them benefits, we can keep them in secure compounds instead of giving them free access to wherever they feel like going, we are losing control of our country, after watching a reporter in Calais this week I can see how the invasion is all planned and paid for by governments, the enemy within, God help us.

Or even retired

fancythat

I do think GN needs to move on a bit from it's seeming wish from some that everyone has all the time in the world.

And I will add something else.
I am not even retired yet!
I am not the average age of what seems on here to be 78.
I am not 88 either.
Some grannies are not!

Times have changed!

Grannies have to work!

I could go on.
Oh how I could go on.

I’m “only” 67 and not that long retire

Thank you.

fancythat

This all assumes I want to read a 200 piece document about whatever.
And on .. and on.. and on..
Ooh, I might like to help people in my neighbourhood.
Fancy that.
From a Christian as well...

No I should stay in and read countless documents!
And do my duty of GN.
Pah. Bah humbug etc.
What with all the time I have abounding.

I have many interests.
Not enough time to deal with them all.
Nowhere near enough time.

I’m so sorry, but that really made me smile

However, I’m a great believer that a good rants and getting things off one’s chest is good for you!

Plevey08

I'm not keen on long documents either. Had too many when I was working.
I hope your grandson is okay.

Thank you x He’s “stable” 🩵

fancythat

And how about praying.
Like I am praying for you Grandson.
Should I stop that and read a document instead?

Oh bless you x No, please carry on, I cannot stand long documents either.

Btw, “illegal immigration” can only refer to Asylum Seekers who failed to meet the criteria, didn’t appeal and disappeared, those who arrive via illegals means and don’t register and, the biggest group of all, visa overstayers, who arrived quite legally.

I'm not keen on long documents either. Had too many when I was working.
I hope your grandson is okay.

Thank you very much.
Much appreciated.

I'm glad you got that off your chest fancythat 🤣 just drop in when you fancy or not as the case may be. I do.

And how about praying.
Like I am praying for you Grandson.
Should I stop that and read a document instead?