Principality of Piddington

That took me 5 minutes.
Got that off my chest as well. For now.

This all assumes I want to read a 200 piece document about whatever.
And on .. and on.. and on..
Ooh, I might like to help people in my neighbourhood.
Fancy that.
From a Christian as well...

No I should stay in and read countless documents!
And do my duty of GN.
Pah. Bah humbug etc.
What with all the time I have abounding.

I have many interests.
Not enough time to deal with them all.
Nowhere near enough time.

I do think GN needs to move on a bit from it's seeming wish from some that everyone has all the time in the world.

And I will add something else.
I am not even retired yet!
I am not the average age of what seems on here to be 78.
I am not 88 either.
Some grannies are not!

Times have changed!

Grannies have to work!

I could go on.
Oh how I could go on.

I don't think people are trying to grind others down fancythat. You clearly have strong feelings on all that is happening regarding AS. And that is understandable, as we all do. Some people choose to try and understand the reasons behind the current problems. Which often leads you to see why things are happening as they are. Thereafter who might be best placed to manage these complex problems. It doesn't help to attack the asylum seekers....it is easy to forget why they risk there lives to get here.
As Casdon says ill- conceived slogans just rile people up. These might hit the sweet spot if you are feeling angry of frightened. But they are not long term solutions.

Cossy

fancythat

Not a chance

No, so much easier just to dismiss things, using opinions or beliefs, rather than facts eh 😜😜

a.
Wasnt going to do this but will

a.as I have written before
I have multiple grandchildren.
Consider them more important that reading a lenghty and wordy document
b. I have a husband
c. 2 businesses
d. done want to read a lengthy document
e. to eg read section 23 subsection 4a1.
f. have a life outside of GN
g. am a Christian. Can my life best be spent reading that document. I dont think so! I kow it cant!
Here God, I didnt do such and such as reading about a place outside Piddlington.
Tomorrow, treading about the House of Lords, day after, or maybe tomorrow evening, the Policies of such and such. And if I have time, the whole of the Guardian, cover to cover. Oh no, I forgot, read that this morning before breakfast.

Shall I go on to f. g. h etc?
Perhaps not. But can do.

AI

Small Boat Numbers Prior to 2018

Close to-zero recorded crossings: Significant small boat crossings did not happen or were not detected by authorities before late 2018, when just 299 people were logged for the entire year. [

(https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-10590/)

(https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/people-crossing-the-english-channel-in-small-boats/)

Shift in routes: Before small boats became common around 2019 and 2020, irregular migrants primarily tried to enter the UK by hiding in lorries, cars, or ferries.

Post-Brexit rise: According to data compiled by the Migration Observatory, numbers surged significantly in the years following, peaking at over 45,000 in 2022.

Galaxy

But the slogans have come from both sides. And if I was being immature I would argue that the progressives started it. Diversity is our strength,etc - well for many communities it didnt seem that way. My guess is that the villagers of Piddington may also have said those slogans, until....

Yep, that is being immature. What is your solution, as an intelligent woman who claims to see both sides? When people say they want no illegal immigration at all what would you actually do?

But the slogans have come from both sides. And if I was being immature I would argue that the progressives started it. Diversity is our strength,etc - well for many communities it didnt seem that way. My guess is that the villagers of Piddington may also have said those slogans, until....

fancythat

Not a chance

No, so much easier just to dismiss things, using opinions or beliefs, rather than facts eh 😜😜

sundowngirl

Plevey08

The above is in response to Sundowngirl.

But you were using the argument that the Dublin agreement was the reason we couldn’t return these illegals immigrants. I was just pointing out it didn’t work well before Brexit

You are absolutely right Sundowngirl. I have read that also.

wendyann23

It isn’t a prison and the asylum seekers living there will be free to go wherever they want. I think is what those living in Piddington are concerned about. 2.3 miles is walking distance for young fit males with time on their hands and little to do. Maybe it would be better if the asylum seekers there were confined to the barracks until their claims processed? They are here illegally.

They are not here illegally.

I do understand Piddington’a concerned, not because these are migrants, but housing 1,200 men with no jobs (not their fault) and nothing to do, (not their fault) very close to to a village, of only 300-350 residents doesn’t seem like the best idea.

fancythat

I think some think endless talk, will grind people down.
It doesnt.

I think many people have no concept at all of the issues. We need real solutions, not ill conceived slogans which just rile people up who won’t think it through for themselves. It does my head in.

Plevey08

The above is in response to Sundowngirl.

But you were using the argument that the Dublin agreement was the reason we couldn’t return these illegals immigrants. I was just pointing out it didn’t work well before Brexit

The above is in response to Sundowngirl.

If we don't have cooperation with the EU we are in a much weaker position for fair, and most importantly safe routes. Which would lead to better vetting of potential immigration. Currently, due to Brexit we no longer have access to EU databases. There is a humane way, but it's going to take a long time.
IMO we need a stable, long-term government. We have a stable one...now we need to commit to the long term.

Galaxy good post 👍

I think some think endless talk, will grind people down.
It doesnt.

And sorry but what did people think would happen

I think authorites have long known what would happen.

My patience has gone with the whole thing.

Judging by things happening in the Uk, it has with countless others too.

Why would they be interested. Over a decade they have been saying this isnt working and they are met with diversity is our strength, etc. So yes it takes both sides. And sorry but what did people think would happen. Some communities have experienced a demographic change that has been seismic really.
And when people are living this day by day it is quite tricky to be told to wait, its complex dont you know.
I think there is a clear choice, either the left do it and do it well, (and it isnt just about illegal immigration i am afraid) or a party you really wont like will do it.

True.

But most people know they arrive here illegally.
Whatever words are used.

I personally do not want to be treated by a doctor, or anyone else for that matter, who has arrived illegally.

fancythat

Luckygirl3

Maybe it would be better if the asylum seekers there were confined to the barracks until their claims processed? They are here illegally. - as others have pointed out we do not know if a person is here illegally until their application has been processed. We cannot be locking up innocent people.

They arrive here illegally.
Hence they are illegal.

Basic fact: If they claim asylum on arrival, as nearly all of them do, they are not classed as illegal, but as asylum seekers. If their asylum claim is rejected, at that point they are in the country unlawfully.

Lemonjam- the town of Bicester might be 4.5 miles away from Piddington but the actual site is only 0.8 miles away.

Plevey08- under the Dublin agreement we received more immigrants than we sent back and even then there were very few. It would make very little difference with this influx

Luckygirl3

*Maybe it would be better if the asylum seekers there were confined to the barracks until their claims processed? They are here illegally.* - as others have pointed out we do not know if a person is here illegally until their application has been processed. We cannot be locking up innocent people.

They arrive here illegally.
Hence they are illegal.

If they understand the difficulties in stopping migration, I for one would be very pleased to have a conversation about how it could be achieved in a humane way which recognises the needs of the migrants as well as the native population. I’m absolutely fed up of the level of debate we are able to have on Gransnet because that doesn’t ever happen. Has it occurred to you that those who want to ‘stop the boats’ are completely disinterested in anything anybody else has to say? It takes two to tango.