Principality of Piddington

yanda

I was referring to the countries mentioned in Cossy's post which are mainly Muslim countries are they not! Russia wasn't mentioned...so what is untrue about my post? Yes I know all about WW2.

I was challenging your statement that the religion of peace is not so peaceful rather than the countries listed by Cossy.

I was referring to the countries mentioned in Cossy's post which are mainly Muslim countries are they not! Russia wasn't mentioned...so what is untrue about my post? Yes I know all about WW2.

Just to add my father fought in the Second World War against fascists who were slaughtering a group of people based entirely upon their religion, 6 million I believe, which happened because of people’s prejudices.

yanda

All the countries you mentioned in your post yesterday Cossy at 19 46pm all have one common denominator...they are all mainly Muslim countries. So the religion of peace is not so peaceful.
The population of all these counties amounts to millions of people we can't help them all without sinking ourselves.
We live in peace not because of an accident at birth...it was paid for with the lives of brave people who fought for it.

That is an untrue and unkind thing to say.
Well done Cossy for challenging this.
Muslims are no less and no more peaceful than any other religion.
Putin, one of our world’s biggest threats isn’t Muslim, neither is Trump presently waging an illegal war on mainly Muslim people.
But let’s not let a few extremely relevant facts take away from someone’s prejudices.

Maybe Harry will offer to be their Prince...

Chocolatelovinggran

And I live within a ten minute drive from Manston. It seems to be working perfectly satisfactorily.

Just as RAF Wethersfield does, CLG.

All projects have costs, David, whether they go ahead or not. No different to domestic residents who pay architects for plans for an extension that doesn’t receive planning consent or their family plans alter because the family member they needed it for has died. It’s just a question of scale.

The Rwanda scheme cost over £700 million for what was confirmed, just weeks before Sunak announced the general election in 2024, was going to amount to around 200 places in a Kigali hostel.

For the Bicester site, over £10 million went on legal, planning, and site costs, extensive legal battles fighting local council objections, public inquiries, administrative overheads, and site preparation.

£2 million to external advisors, financial and procurement.

£8 million for preliminary layouts, site master plans, and architectural design fees.

£8 million in termination payments to the commercial contractor as compensation when the project was cancelled.

Just a few years later, the site was slated for a deportation centre until it was cancelled as part of Tory austerity.

My point is, using the site for migrants for one reason or another has been on the cards for that site for over 25 years.

Long term residents and more recent arrivals to the village will have been aware of this. You take a risk when you move anywhere that development plans could change the local environment, whether its a noisy new road, a housing development on that green field you used to look over, a new school, pylons bringing renewable energy, the wind turbines and solar farms that generate it or simply your neighbour’s plans to extend their home. Our environments have to change to meet all of our needs.

I don’t know why it is part of human nature to think the worst. Things are rarely as bad as people imagine or indeed bad at all.

What are the options if you live in Piddington? Either assume the worst and move now. Wait and see whether the change does genuinely have a detrimental affect on your life, in which case you move then. Or wait and find that it makes little or no difference to you life.

The most ridiculous story I read was of the woman who says she litter-picks regularly in the village and will no longer feel safe to do it. That’s just madness.

Someone will bring up property prices but what bothers one person doesn’t necessarily bother another. People have lived in that village for years with a military base of 2,600 personnel and a prison on its doorstep.

Instead of listening to the politically-motivated scaremongering of Reform and far-right activists they should be listening to people who live near migrant facilities who could assure them it’s nothing to worry about.

The trouble is the be kind stuff tends to be visited on others without any discussion. Piddington is a good example I suspect, we need to be kind to the asylum seekers, oh no we didnt mean here, we meant over there.

“Yes it was horrific but not deliberate as no one knew they were there.“

It’s pretty clear many different people knew they were there, hence the arrests and subsequent prison sentences.

greyfur16

I'm not sure what "be kind stuff " is. If we lose our humanity we truly are sunk.

🙏🙏

yanda

All the countries you mentioned in your post yesterday Cossy at 19 46pm all have one common denominator...they are all mainly Muslim countries. So the religion of peace is not so peaceful.
The population of all these counties amounts to millions of people we can't help them all without sinking ourselves.
We live in peace not because of an accident at birth...it was paid for with the lives of brave people who fought for it.

I think that’s a very unfair thing to say and untrue.

The utter ignorance and discrimination of some on this site actually appall me.

But that’s your choice and your call.

Well, we’d best all be off to slash our wrists now Galaxy, knowing we are doomed. Or not.

Meandrogrog
yes it was horrific but not deliberate as no one knew they were there
So who informed them where the lorry was. Who let them into the lorry. Who took the money from the migrants 🤷‍♀️
The clue is in the names posted by Cossy.

I'm not sure what "be kind stuff " is. If we lose our humanity we truly are sunk.

Many of the electorate are saying no to the pleas to be grateful that we live in Britain ( not surprisingly as at the same time they are frequently being told what a terrible country it is, Empire, racism, etc) they are more than likely going to vote yet again to express their view on immigration, of all types I am afraid. So we can do the whole be kind, suck it up stuff but I dont for one moment think it will work. I am becoming increasingly concerned what happens when yet again voting fails. Currently I am grateful that Reform exist, a second rate deeply dodgy Johnson ( which is what Farage is) is a much better alternative than what could happen next. I dont mean to sound like the voice of doom, there have been many people ( some on the left) much more articulate than i am saying for years where this would lead.

And I live within a ten minute drive from Manston. It seems to be working perfectly satisfactorily.

"The Home Office spent some £28 million on plans to create a purpose-built asylum processing centre"

This is the scale of creative incompetence we are fighting against, how did they spend £28 million without achieving anything.

However, migrants had to be managed somewhere Bicester wasn't a logical place, in the end Manston became the place used and was at least logical and close to Dover

Cossy

“Meandrogrog“

I live in Essex, this story was extremely detailed and published in our local area.

Whilst not “deliberate” in terms of “murdering” them, it was avoidable (I fully expect some of you to state it was the fault of those dying, as they chose to be smuggled in);

The Discovery and the VictimsThe Scene: Emergency services were called to the Waterglade Industrial Park in Grays, Essex, at around 1:40 AM. The driver, Maurice Robinson, had collected the container from the port of Purfleet-on-Thames and pulled over to open the doors, discovering the bodies inside.

Due to the scale of the crime scene and to preserve the victims' dignity, the entire lorry was towed under police escort to BBC News' report on Tilbury Docks.

The Victims: The victims consisted of 28 men, eight women, and three teenage boys (including two 15-year-olds), all of whom were Vietnamese nationals.

Many hailed from the impoverished Nghệ An and Hà Tĩnh provinces.

Cause of Death: They died from suffocation (asphyxia) and overheating (hypothermia).

The airtight container had been shipped from the port of Zeebrugge in Belgium.

Temperatures inside the sealed unit reached an excruciating 40°C (104°F) as oxygen levels depleted over a 12-hour journey.

Forensic evidence showed desperate, unsuccessful attempts to break through the roof using a metal post.

The Smuggling Ring and Trial

The migrants had paid a human-trafficking syndicate upwards of £10,000 to £13,000 each for what was advertised as a "VIP" entry into the UK.

An international police investigation quickly dismantled the sophisticated Irish-Romanian organized crime gang responsible.

The ringleaders and drivers were prosecuted at the Old Bailey and received significant sentences:

Nica (co-conspirator/organizer) was jailed for 27 years.
Ronan Hughes (smuggling ringleader) was jailed for 20 years.
Eamonn Harrison (the lorry driver who delivered the container to Zeebrugge) was sentenced to 18 years.
Maurice Robinson (the driver who opened the container in Essex) was sentenced to 13 years and four months.
Marius Draghici (another key coordinator arrested later in Romania) was sentenced in 2023 to 12 years and seven months.

A horrific way to die.

Yes it was horrific but not deliberate as no one knew they were there.

All the countries you mentioned in your post yesterday Cossy at 19 46pm all have one common denominator...they are all mainly Muslim countries. So the religion of peace is not so peaceful.
The population of all these counties amounts to millions of people we can't help them all without sinking ourselves.
We live in peace not because of an accident at birth...it was paid for with the lives of brave people who fought for it.

Casdon

I’m afraid they will just have to suck it up, the government is not going to change its mind on this. The cost of doing so would be enormous, to a less appropriate facility, and for what? To go somewhere else that they weren’t wanted?

There is a history with the site. The NAO explained what happened.

Overview

The Home Office spent some £28 million on plans to create a purpose-built asylum centre in Bicester, Oxfordshire, following its announcement in 2001 of a major overhaul of the asylum system to speed up the processing of applications from asylum-seekers. In 2005, in the light of improvements to the handling of asylum applications, reduced numbers of asylum applications and rising costs of the project, the Bicester project was cancelled by the Department because it was no longer economically viable.

Detail

In October 2001, the government announced that it would build ten asylum accommodation centres, which would accommodate 3,000 people. The Home Office planned for these sites to house a proportion of first-time asylum seekers from the time of their arrival in the UK through to the point where the outcome of their application was decided.

The first centre was to be built in Bicester but, in the face of significant local opposition, the success of other initiatives to speed up the processing of asylum applications and a fall in the number of people claiming asylum in the UK, the programme was cancelled in June 2005, four years after its inception.

This strength of public opinion led to opposition, which elongated the planning process, caused the start of work on site to slip by 14 months, delayed the centre’s inception and so raised costs.

In planning for the centre, the Home Office was working in a dynamic external policy environment, whereby the number of people applying for asylum could fall and, hence, the demand for such facilities would therefore reduce. The number of applicants seeking asylum in the UK halved between October 2002 and September 2003.

Although the number of people arriving has reduced significantly this year, it is still much higher now than in 2001. As of June 2026, there were still 32,401 asylum applications waiting for a first ruling and many more appeals waiting to be heard.

You are right Casdon. The people of Piddington will just have to accept this and resist being manipulated by the hard right. I doubt any of them want Yaxley Lennon or Danny Thomas and his balaclava thugs marching through their village. Seeing as 112 of their compatriots have been convicted of serious sexual offences against women and children, supervised asylum seekers are a safer option.

Galaxy

The answer very clearly is no. Sorry but for very many it is just no and the be kind stuff stopped working quite some time ago . So what now.

Would you like to give us a clue what you are talking about?

People of Piddington are going to love you graphite, putting their village down.
What I’ve seen of it, it looks lovely.
I think lack of pavements isn’t going to stop them going for a walk now is it 🙄

I’m afraid they will just have to suck it up, the government is not going to change its mind on this. The cost of doing so would be enormous, to a less appropriate facility, and for what? To go somewhere else that they weren’t wanted?

Thanks for the info Cossy. Much appreciated.
Sadly as this world becomes more unstable and economically depressed, taking into consideration that climate change will also cause yet more deprivation and deaths, there will be more people seeking stability and basically a piece of what we have by dint if our birth.
And if there are some migrants who we believe are not toeing the line with regard to the freedoms we hold dear, consider how our governments in the west have regularly trashed the freedoms of so many poor beggars who now end up in our country.
What goes around comes around.

The answer very clearly is no. Sorry but for very many it is just no and the be kind stuff stopped working quite some time ago . So what now.

Maybe, just maybe, be grateful for where we do live, purely by an accident of birth, or perhaps because your parents or grandparents quite legitimately were allowed to leave their own country and come to ours.

As my husband’s parents did, from Eire in the 60’s.