Principality of Piddington

Whilst I’m aware some of aren’t interested however;

Daily life in the top countries of origin for small-boat asylum seekers—predominantly
Eritrea, Sudan, Somalia, Afghanistan, and Iran—is marked by severe socioeconomic instability, conflict, or repressive governance.

Eritrea; Totalitarian Governance:

Daily life is heavily militarized under an authoritarian regime with indefinite national service that often equates to forced labor.

Infrastructure Deficits:

Residents face chronic shortages of reliable electricity and running water, alongside a tightly restricted internet and media landscape.

Economic Hardship:

Widespread poverty and limited private enterprise push citizens to seek unauthorized exits despite strict laws against leaving.

Sudan; Active Conflict:

Daily existence for millions is disrupted by severe civil war, displacing communities and destroying urban infrastructure.

Humanitarian Crisis:

Acute food insecurity, collapsing healthcare systems, and hyperinflation define the daily struggle for survival.

Safety Risks:

Widespread violence and lawlessness make basic personal security nearly impossible in affected regions.

Somalia; Insecurity and Insurgency:

Ongoing conflict, terrorism, and clan-based violence create an environment of constant physical danger.
Fragile Infrastructure:

Lack of stable governance means minimal public services, leaving populations vulnerable to extreme weather, drought, and waterborne diseases like cholera.

Displacement: Millions live internally displaced or reliant on informal support systems and international aid.

Afghanistan Severe Restrictions:

Under Taliban governance, women and girls face total exclusion from secondary and tertiary education, most employment, and public spaces.

Economic Collapse: Widespread poverty, compounded by sudden influxes of returning refugees from neighboring states, has strained local resources to a breaking point.

Environmental Pressures:

Frequent droughts, floods, and earthquakes aggravate daily food and housing insecurity.

Iran Economic Strain: High inflation, currency devaluation, and international sanctions severely degrade the purchasing power of the working and middle classes.

Social Restrictions: Strict state control over personal freedoms, expression, and dress codes heavily impact public and social life.

Political Climate: Dissatisfaction with governance and limited avenues for legal or political dissent drive continuous outward migration.

Are you getting the picture?

Ok, l give up!

. Refugee Family Reunion Visas (Applying from Abroad)This route allows the immediate family (spouses, partners, and children under 18) of someone granted refugee status or humanitarian protection in the UK to apply from another country to join them.According to data compiled by the House of Commons Library and GOV.UK, 90% (nine in ten) of all family reunion visas are granted to women and children.

MT62

Yep Cossy, left behind in war torn countries we are led to believe 🙄

As I said earlier, pointless discussion, those of you who just don’t want these people here, for ANY reason, refuse to believe the many charities and government stats which prove this point.

Peacelilydilly take a quick peek at the top 5 countries of people claiming Asylum, and you might just see why.

It’s nothing like WW1 & WW2!

Peacelilydilly, I think you might find that those men who fought, left their wives and children behind, and went abroad. 🤔

Casdon

The site covers 12 square miles Aely, so without knowing exactly where the accommodation units are, where the gates are (which does matter if there are high fences which are designed not to be climbed over), and whether there are any restricted access zones, which many MOD sites have, it’s not possible to say exactly how far away from Piddington, or any other settlement they will be.

Yesterday, I did post a link to the planning documents about this which have comprehensive drawings and sections of maps showing the layout of the site and its relationship to Piddington. Here ig is again:

www.gov.uk/guidance/urgent-crown-development-application-mod-bicester-site-a

The transport assessment is a very useful document. It explains what facilities will be on site and what access here will be for the men accommodated there. It discusses the shuttle buses that will operate. Note it says:

It is acknowledged that from the point of view of accessibility by sustainable travel modes, the location of the site is not ideal as there is limited pedestrian and cycling infrastructure near the site. However, given the temporary nature of the proposed use, the infrastructure planned to make the site as self-contained as possible and the provision of sustainable forms of transport for essential off-site trips, it can be concluded that the proposed development adheres well with national and local policies.

A 2 km walking catchment from the site access is shown in Image 3-1 on the next page and Figure 2. This demonstrates that the outskirts of Piddington, Arncott and Bicester are within reasonable walking distance. However, given the absence of any pedestrian infrastructure serving the site, it is recommended that Service Users access facilities in these areas by the minibuses that will be provided by the Home Office.

As I have said before, there is nothing much in Piddington. I wouldn’t describe it as a picturesque village by any stretch. It’s just a couple of roads with houses along. There’s no shop, no post office, no cafe, no pub. There’s no obvious gathering place and no schools for men to hang around outside which seems to be a concern of protesters in other places.

There's a village hall where not much goes on and certainly not for young people.

Oxford, Aylesbury, Bicester and Thame could be easily reached by mini bus and that’s probably what will happen, just as men at RAF Wethersfield, which accommodates a similar number, are bussed into nearby towns and cities for the day.

Any women that have a chance to come over on a boat are left by the wayside.
Saw a clip of two woman & a child being pushed back by the men. They ended up paddling back to shore😩 FS

The site covers 12 square miles Aely, so without knowing exactly where the accommodation units are, where the gates are (which does matter if there are high fences which are designed not to be climbed over), and whether there are any restricted access zones, which many MOD sites have, it’s not possible to say exactly how far away from Piddington, or any other settlement they will be.

As far as I have been able to determine, the nearest part of the old MoD Bicester site is 0.5 miles from the nearest point of Piddington. It is, depending on the exact start and finish points, a 2.3 mile journey by car, at most.

I can see the disruption and worry that could be caused to a small community like Piddington with all that testosterone so close, if the mostly young men aren't given sufficient incentives to stay on site. Even if 95% of the "new neighbours" were well behaved and respectful towards the locals the other 62 would-be immigrants could cause a lot of problems in the village if they got fed up and went looking for "entertainment".

They could catch the 108 bus to Bicester or Oxford from Piddington but it only runs some days at a couple of buses per day, apparently. There isn't even a coffee shop in Piddington and if the asylum seekers are Muslim they probably won't be attracted to the pubs scattered around the area.

The Base being fenced and gated is, I think, irrelevant as we "can't" lock up Asylum seekers by law, unlike America where even the children have been put in cages.

Peacelilydilly

What kind of man would leave their women, children and old people behind in a country so awful they have had to flee it. Why not stay and make your home country better and look.after your family or are they just interested in themselves probably. In WW1 and WW2 men.fought for their country and their families.

Am sure you will have read what Casdon has posted, which pretty much sums things up, but just to add, the channel crossing in overcrowded dinghies is not safe for the strong young men clinging on for dear life, they don’t want women and children or older people taking that risk.
And they can’t do much in war torn/economically wrecked countries where inflation is so high and jobs so scarce that they struggle to put food on the table.

Because a family who want a better life, and who have no prospects in their home country, send their young strong men out to search for a better life for them all. It’s how it’s always worked, because the young and strong have the best chance of success.

What kind of man would leave their women, children and old people behind in a country so awful they have had to flee it. Why not stay and make your home country better and look.after your family or are they just interested in themselves probably. In WW1 and WW2 men.fought for their country and their families.

Yep Cossy, left behind in war torn countries we are led to believe 🙄

Fallingstar

I realise people have their points of view, that’s the way it is, but several times on this thread and on others I am sure posters have outlined how the small boats issue could be hopefully dealt with politically. Indeed I went to pains to repeat what Ed Dave had said and what I am sure Andy Burnham will need to do. Others gave even more detailed information about how this came about and what could be done politically to help solve this problem, not altogether but at least so it isn’t as bad as today. However, these posts have been routinely ignored in favour of simply detailing how awful migrants are, without even countering with a workable and humane political solution.
Am sure it feels good to get things off our chests, but it seems those who shout loudest are just shouting. Nothing else.

Think you’re pretty much spot on!

What I meant by “pointless”, is not that people disagree with ME, I’m quite happy for people to have alternate views, beliefs and opinions to me, it’s what democracy is all about, it is what makes both life and people interesting.

What is “pointless” in this particular issue, is that people 1) don’t read others post, 2) even when faced with facts and stats from credible sources, people still harp on about the same thing, insisting that they are completely right and then tell everyone that everybody else feels the same way as they do.

If I post something and it’s my opinion, I completely expect many others to see things differently.

If someone on here posts facts or stats from one or more credible source, that’s not “an opinion”, it’s a fact.

We see this with all Asylum Seeker “discussions”, with many political discussions and even the RNLI discussions.

Some things are so firmly entrenched in some people’s minds, no amount of evidence, proof, facts or discussions will ever change that.

I’m more than happy to be told I’m wrong about something and to have someone give me a link or show me the way to their evidence and facts.

MT62

That’s my point MAD, they will want a girlfriend so won’t be sitting around in Military army barracks if you read my post properly.
It’s up the the young girls if they want to court these young men, or not.

And my point, if you bothered to read it, is that many of them have wives and families back home!

Oreo They can walk round Bicester designer outlet village.
There’s enough shops to wander round.

My take on this Piddington business is that asylum seekers have to be placed somewhere and disused MOD bases are the best bet wherever they are.
When they are bussed into towns tho, Bicester presumably, I do wonder what they do not having much money.

Thank you Fallingstar. Davey is right.

I’ve been reading about how The Asylum and Migration Management Regulation (AMMR) will work particularly the solidarity mechanism which establishes a system to ensure a fairer sharing of responsibility among EU countries.

It’s real pity that people followed Johnson and Farage in voting to leave the EU, else we’d be part of this now.

As I understand it, it doesn’t mean the UK would have to apply to rejoin the EU as there are third-country precedents, Iceland, Norway etc but it would need a formal, negotiated treaty which would means signing up to the whole package, as it were, without a vote on future changes in policy.

It would seem to solve the issue of boats crossing from France. If the UK has been determined as the country responsible for processing those persons would be transported safely.

However, it still wouldn’t solve the problem of how to accommodate asylum seekers while their application is being processed, although the transit through the system should be quicker as some of the preliminary work will have been done in the Member State of first entry.

Nor would it stop the far-right demonising all asylum seekers but it would remove the faux concern expressed in Operation Fortress about safety at sea and put a stop to the targetted harassment of the RNLI and its volunteers.

petra yep 👍

Meandrogrog
The driver of the truck knew what he had in his trailer.
He was part of the people smuggling gang.
Rotterdam where most of the trucks come from is practically run by European crime gangs.
When the boats do stop I believe the smugglers will revert back to Lorrie’s.
The only way to stop that would be for all trucks to pass through a scanner as they board.
Now we have come full circle as you have to trust the scanner operative who is probably on the take or is being threatened.

You could be right, Fallingstar.

I realise people have their points of view, that’s the way it is, but several times on this thread and on others I am sure posters have outlined how the small boats issue could be hopefully dealt with politically. Indeed I went to pains to repeat what Ed Dave had said and what I am sure Andy Burnham will need to do. Others gave even more detailed information about how this came about and what could be done politically to help solve this problem, not altogether but at least so it isn’t as bad as today. However, these posts have been routinely ignored in favour of simply detailing how awful migrants are, without even countering with a workable and humane political solution.
Am sure it feels good to get things off our chests, but it seems those who shout loudest are just shouting. Nothing else.

Just read on Facebook, yes, I know, that the accommodation earmark for the asylum seekers held German POWs during WW2.

Cossy

I’ve come to conclusion that it’s a totally pointless “debate”, as never the Twain shall meet.

I will just point out though, that there are often extremely good reasons migrants (not just men), might no longer have their “paperwork” “ID”, sometimes, within their own countries, passports etc have been taken off citizens, not because they’re terrible criminals, but because those governments don’t want people leaving, some are genuinely lost, some are deliberately destroyed and some never had any.

Having ID or a document doesn’t prove whether you’re a genuine Asylum Seeker nor whether you’ve committed crimes in your country of origin.

I remember, historically, why certain groups “hid their identity” and/or paperwork, and why.

Yes It is a pointless debate, as you have your points of view, others have theirs which we are allowed to have.
Not everyone will agree with yours, or agree with my points of view Cossy.

Obsessed? Don’t talk rubbish mad.