Principality of Piddington

AGAA4

The naive people are those who focus on asylum seekers and don't see that they are not the cause of all our problems.

I mean naive that you think a bit of a gym, or a game of football is going to stop them from going for a walk.
They are young men, probably unmarried. They are going to want to meet young ladies aren’t they?
Hopefully they will just venture into the nearest town.
As someone said on here, woman are mainly older in Piddington.
I am not saying I don’t want migrants as we have a lot where I am- clearly the people of Piddington don’t want them.

On a turnout of nearly 90%, 285 Piddington residents voted to secede from the UK.

Feelings are running high. And who can blame them? None of us live there.

fancythat

You wouldnt want me to write more.

Not in the mood I am in.

I am going to not post on GN for 3 days.
Or only non controversial stuff.

The naive people are those who focus on asylum seekers and don't see that they are not the cause of all our problems.

You wouldnt want me to write more.

Not in the mood I am in.

fancythat

^I just think some people on here are very naive to say the least.^

I think it is far from naivity.

Why do you say that?

David49

I did suggest more police supervision but you want to live in a liberal democracy, thats not going to happen so we have to suffer the consequences of more harassment.

Actually, I’d welcome shedloads more police on the beat, immediately, everywhere!

Criminals are everywhere and they are certainly not all migrants.

Graphite

^Nothing there for them? There are woman! Won’t they be looking for a girlfriend, all these red blooded males?^

Have you looked at Piddington?

Asylum seekers housed in military barracks are not prisoners, they are not detained but sports and other facilities are provided on site to keep them occupied.

I can’t imagine why they would even want to go into Piddington. It’s just a long strip. There’s no proper pub, no shop, no post office. There’s a village hall where the only activities are a weekly lunch club, matt bowls, dog training, ballroom dancing and a whist drive. There’s a pop up pub in the village hall one Friday a month.

There are no activities on the list for children and teenagers which made me wonder how many young people live there although there is an outdoor play area for young children at the hall.

There’s no school. There’s a primary school in Brill. The nearest secondary school is in Bicester. One newspaper report said there are 268 adults and 45 children which makes me think that after school and weekend activities for families are taking place elsewhere.

268 adults and only 45 children and what’s going on at the village hall makes me think this is predominantly a village of elderly people - not somewhere men are going to go looking for women!

I don’t think that’s going to put them off for going for a walk through the village because it only has one pub 🙄
They probably don’t have pubs where they are from Graphite.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Matt today.

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Fancythat you are right, I don’t think anyone is naive on this thread.

There are those who are anti-immigration completely.

Those who’ll welcome those coming in via regular means.

Those who feel international Asylum Law, national Asylum Law and Maritime Law should be respected and worked within.

With these differing opinions and the things I mentioned in my most recent post, of course we are all going to disagree, and that’s ok.

Btw, Brexit did, in fact, literally cause the “channel crossing” issues. Prior to late 2018, there were virtually zero AS arriving this way. They tended to arrive, not in the back of lorries, in much smaller numbers, and fake passports.

I’ll never ever forgot the group abandoned to die in the back of a small lorry in Essex. It was horrific.

I always think Matt gets it right 👍

Matt today.

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Because it was going to be in the past and only shelved by the new Tory government in 2010 as part of its austerity drive.

In June 2010, the newly appointed Immigration Minister, Damian Green, officially scrapped the project. The government deemed the facility "unaffordable under current plans”.

Under current plans. That doesn't mean forever.

Anyone who lived in Piddington before that would have known about it and anyone who has moved there since would surely have heard about it. When you move to new place you do your homework or have your solicitors do it.

As people don't want asylum seekers in hotels what's the alternative?

With the military still active on the site, it will be secure. Asylum seekers are not detained but they are still supervised. They will be bussed into nearby towns and cities during the day as they are from other military sites which are used for the same purpose.

I think the bigger issue, if you will, isn’t that people don’t want them in hotels, they simply don’t want them here, any of them, ever.

Whilst I obviously don’t condone this, I can totally understand this.

With Reform and Restore continuously exploiting people’s fears and anxieties, the few awful crimes which have been committed by AS and now these awful “mobs”, Patriot Platform and Pink Ladies, it’s not surprising people have had enough.

Literally all we hear about migrants are horror stories and horrible crimes.

My fear with the “mobs” and now security patrolling is this will simply lead to yet further disruption, aggression and destruction of public property.

Nobody welcomes this, whoever is responsible migrants will be “blamed”.

People need to take a deep breath, look for the positives, amount of people arriving (boat size is irrelevant, it’s about the actual number of people), is decreasing, backlog is decreasing, people are being deported. I completely understand peoples anger, but, things are moving in the right direction and the speed is frustrating for all of us.

I just think some people on here are very naive to say the least.

I think it is far from naivity.

Galaxy

But the slogans have come from both sides. And if I was being immature I would argue that the progressives started it. Diversity is our strength,etc - well for many communities it didnt seem that way. My guess is that the villagers of Piddington may also have said those slogans, until....

I think you are right. I think they never thought that those barracks would be used for this, even though Cossy thinks they would have known. Now it’s practically in their back garden, they are furious.
‘Bring them all in’ but just not around our lovely village.
That’s what I think anyway.

There is certainly a perception that the percentage of sexual abuse and rapes is disproportionally higher amongst asylum seekers. If accurate records about the ethnicity and immigration status of offenders was kept this could be proved or disproved. Maybe we'd find that the 'perceptions' are totally wrong and this could be widely publicised with supporting data.

Why doesnt the government publicise the figures?

If it is like another Country that did do that[was it Denmark?], as I recall, the figures came out very bad.

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^Nothing there for them? There are woman! Won’t they be looking for a girlfriend, all these red blooded males?^

Have you looked at Piddington?

Asylum seekers housed in military barracks are not prisoners, they are not detained but sports and other facilities are provided on site to keep them occupied.

I can’t imagine why they would even want to go into Piddington. It’s just a long strip. There’s no proper pub, no shop, no post office. There’s a village hall where the only activities are a weekly lunch club, matt bowls, dog training, ballroom dancing and a whist drive. There’s a pop up pub in the village hall one Friday a month.

There are no activities on the list for children and teenagers which made me wonder how many young people live there although there is an outdoor play area for young children at the hall.

There’s no school. There’s a primary school in Brill. The nearest secondary school is in Bicester. One newspaper report said there are 268 adults and 45 children which makes me think that after school and weekend activities for families are taking place elsewhere.

268 adults and only 45 children and what’s going on at the village hall makes me think this is predominantly a village of elderly people - not somewhere men are going to go looking for women!

Of course there are woman, attractive women.
They might want have a walk through, they aren’t prisoners you know.
I just think some people on here are very naive to say the least.
Just have to see how it all pans out.

I agree Elrel, leaving a largely young male cohort day after day with nothing useful to occupy them is inviting trouble. I'm not sure how popular some of the activities you mention would be, but anything is worth trying and the very least should be classes to educate them on social norms and customs in the UK etc.

If asylum seekers were allowed to work, even as volunteers, the story might be different. Surely their accommodation could supply opportunities to do useful cleaning, cooking, maintenance, gardening. Sports, classes, and other activities could be arranged so that they would actually prefer to stay on site and be occupied instead of having long days of inaction and boredom.

As if our superiority is a given despite our jails being full of our own homegrown male rapists and abusers who somehow missed the memo about being more civilised etc.

Of course our jails have more homegrown male rapists and abusers, they are part of the majority population. They are abhorrent and deserve punishment. What I don't ever recall is reading of a homegrown rapist using as his defence that he didn't know rape was illegal, or that sex with a 12 or 13 year old was illegal, and that consent in the case of adults was essential. Usually rapists of adult females are quick to claim there was consent.
There is certainly a perception that the percentage of sexual abuse and rapes is disproportionally higher amongst asylum seekers. If accurate records about the ethnicity and immigration status of offenders was kept this could be proved or disproved. Maybe we'd find that the 'perceptions' are totally wrong and this could be widely publicised with supporting data.

I also think it may have been possibly for people to tolerate/ignore all that if it had been a time of economic stability and a time when the industries which provided purpose, meaning etc for many hadn't been destroyed.

I agree with you. I’ve been saying for a long time that I think that the economy has been a very significant factor. The ‘shrink the state’ economic ideology which has driven the decline in public services for the past few decades has been exploited to make ‘immigrants’ the scapegoats for the decline. I can’t see it improving any time soon.

I have thought about the way we have treated ‘immigrants’ throughout history (not always joyfully welcoming them) and the legacy of Empire which, as well as seeing the peoples we ruled over across the globe as somehow ‘inferior’ to the British, also encouraged those peoples to think of Britain as the ‘mother country’ which would help them when in trouble.

I don’t think we’ve had a healthy regard to immigrants for a long time. When I think back to my younger days Britain was rife with casual racism. Insecurity has brought it back to the fore.

It is all the things I mentioned, I also think it may have been possibly for people to tolerate/ignore all that if it had been a time of economic stability and a time when the industries which provided purpose, meaning etc for many hadn't been destroyed. That probably sounds a bit too much of 'looking back to some non existent golden age' but I dont mean it in that way.

I think it is a much bigger issue than asylum seekers, the concerns around that are a symptom so to speak

Are you saying that the 'bigger issue' is immigration generally, Galaxy, or is it something completely different?

It is a familiar racist trope that men from a group singled out for racist views are more inclined to rape and sexually abuse white girls/women. Before the civil rights movement in America black men were believed to be predisposed to rape and sexually abuse white girls/women.
And of course some men from other races/religions do rape and sexually abuse girls/women, but as with white men, they are in the minority but their cases are widely publicised and made to sound like the norm. They are said to be less civilised, not like us, not sharing our values, unable to respect women in the same way. As if our superiority is a given despite our jails being full of our own homegrown male rapists and abusers who somehow missed the memo about being more civilised etc.
Whenever I have been out late at night and I haven’t been out late for a very long time, but I can recall feeling scared and clutching my keys in my hand as a weapon, when hearing footfalls behind me, and turning to see a man following closely behind. I never checked to see if that man was a different t race, he was a man, and as all women know, any man is capable of rape etc.
Statistics show that most rapes and sexual offences are committed by men known to the victim, a much smaller number are committed by strangers.

Nothing there for them? There are woman! Won’t they be looking for a girlfriend, all these red blooded males?

Have you looked at Piddington?

Asylum seekers housed in military barracks are not prisoners, they are not detained but sports and other facilities are provided on site to keep them occupied.

I can’t imagine why they would even want to go into Piddington. It’s just a long strip. There’s no proper pub, no shop, no post office. There’s a village hall where the only activities are a weekly lunch club, matt bowls, dog training, ballroom dancing and a whist drive. There’s a pop up pub in the village hall one Friday a month.

There are no activities on the list for children and teenagers which made me wonder how many young people live there although there is an outdoor play area for young children at the hall.

There’s no school. There’s a primary school in Brill. The nearest secondary school is in Bicester. One newspaper report said there are 268 adults and 45 children which makes me think that after school and weekend activities for families are taking place elsewhere.

268 adults and only 45 children and what’s going on at the village hall makes me think this is predominantly a village of elderly people - not somewhere men are going to go looking for women!