Another reason to not have a death penalty

MawsRosie

Not to debate the topic further but if an old much loved dog can be PTS painlessly (and I’ve held all of mine as they simply drifted off) why can’t a similar lethal injection be used on a human being?

Exactly!!! I have in the last 5 years had 5 family pets pts. All done calmly, lovingly in their own home surrounded by those that loved them. I have pushed my local mp to vote in favour of euthanasia by choice in the UK but he just replies that they are training care home staff better, putting more funding into care blah blah blah. As I pointed out to him, I don't want to go into care I want to make s choice to end my life when irs time. Esther Campaigned for dignity in dying but it got shelved yet again. My MP is a proper drip anyway definitely not voted for by me, but hey neither was the current PM

Smileless2012

Medically qualified doctors and nurses are not allowed to administer the lethal dose due to major medical ethics which no doubt was why this happened.

That is neither a reason nor an excuse.

In previous centuries in Europe, in other words from the early Middle Ages until whenever in the 20th century the various countries discontinued capital punishment, executioners were usually the sons or nephews of an executioner, and like all others who did a specific job, they had been trained to do the job and do it properly.

Obviously, mistakes could and were made, but anyone undertaking this disgraceful task should be trained to do it properly.

That said, it is outrageous that any country still has capital punishment, and for those who are counting, you can add most of Asia to the list.

But who are we to cast stones?

We live in countries where aborting healthy human embryos is legal, and discussions rage about allowing assisted suicide for the incurably ill and others who are tired of life. Any such practice was classed as murder down through the ages that considered capital punishment reasonable and right.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Albert Pierrepoint was a master at the long drop. Efficient and effective.

Not heard his name mentioned for years. Still regarded as the executioner par excellence by many older people. Albert was a legend to them..

I think the death penalty is the ultimate deterrent. An eye for an eye etc.

The abolishment of capital punishment was seen to be trendy liberal and humane at the time. Needs a vast rethink.

You can literally get away with murder these days.

I don't think I have ever heard of anyone surviving an execution attempt, even a botched one. Of course, it is unclear at the moment what will happen; she may never wake up. Who knows what brain and organ damage those two doses may have caused?

She is now in hospital and either likely to die or have brain damage. If she survives it was said today that she could potentially return to death row.
Horrendous...the most humane thing now should be, as Oreo said, is to inject further. However being in hospital they wouldn't be able to do that. Utterly inhumane.

What if she had killed your child

monami

What if she had killed your child

I would be of the same opinion.

For ALL those saying "the death penalty is terrible, shouldn't be used", WHY should we keep murderous scum in food, water, heating and loo rolls for ever?

Why not put down the likes of the Wests, Brady and Hindley (Moors murderers), Peter Sutcliffe, the Dunblane & Hungerford killers, and many more -- that scum who murdered those little girls in Southport too?

Use their organs for those who deserve it perhaps, so their rotten lives aren't a complete waste?

Sure, the USA's 'systems' for execution aren't up to much these days - like a lot of other things over there in the last few decades?! Doesn't rule out finding a more efficient method, does it?

For all those who want to keep them in a prison or Broadmoor cell for 50 or 60 years, then perhaps YOU can pay for them?

monami

What if she had killed your child

That’s the rub isn’t it? It’s easy to be liberal when it’s someone else’s son or daughter/ wife/ husband/ partner/ friend.

DrWatson

For ALL those saying "the death penalty is terrible, shouldn't be used", WHY should we keep murderous scum in food, water, heating and loo rolls for ever?

Why not put down the likes of the Wests, Brady and Hindley (Moors murderers), Peter Sutcliffe, the Dunblane & Hungerford killers, and many more -- that scum who murdered those little girls in Southport too?

Use their organs for those who deserve it perhaps, so their rotten lives aren't a complete waste?

Sure, the USA's 'systems' for execution aren't up to much these days - like a lot of other things over there in the last few decades?! Doesn't rule out finding a more efficient method, does it?

For all those who want to keep them in a prison or Broadmoor cell for 50 or 60 years, then perhaps YOU can pay for them?

What a stupid and disgusting post

DrWatson

For ALL those saying "the death penalty is terrible, shouldn't be used", WHY should we keep murderous scum in food, water, heating and loo rolls for ever?

Why not put down the likes of the Wests, Brady and Hindley (Moors murderers), Peter Sutcliffe, the Dunblane & Hungerford killers, and many more -- that scum who murdered those little girls in Southport too?

Use their organs for those who deserve it perhaps, so their rotten lives aren't a complete waste?

Sure, the USA's 'systems' for execution aren't up to much these days - like a lot of other things over there in the last few decades?! Doesn't rule out finding a more efficient method, does it?

For all those who want to keep them in a prison or Broadmoor cell for 50 or 60 years, then perhaps YOU can pay for them?

Fred West saved us the trouble by asphyxiating himself.

I believe the mother of the girl who was murdered had asked for the death penalty, and attended the execution.
No idea how I would feel if it had been my child, but I hope I would not do that.

I just think the death penalty is akin to murder. This should never have happened to this woman. I feel it is barbaric.

Someone in OH's family was a prison warder who had to escort prisoners on their last walk. One young man claimed that they had missed him last time as his father had taken the walk for him. Why did he not learn?

WithNobsOnIt

I think the death penalty is the ultimate deterrent. An eye for an eye etc.

The abolishment of capital punishment was seen to be trendy liberal and humane at the time. Needs a vast rethink.

You can literally get away with murder these days.

However, it seems not to be because heinous crimes and murders continue to happen in those countries that have, and use, the death penalty. If it was an effective deterrent, then surely these awful crimes would no longer happen?

This case is particularly abhorrent - the crime she committed was, but so has been the attempt to execute her.

Her own life as a girl and young woman has been horrific, if the reports are true. She needed help then but it would seem she did not get it.

I also think that waiting 30 years after sentencing someone to death before attempting to carry it out is particularly barbaric.

Incidentally, her boyfriend at the time, although also involved in the murder, appears not to have received the death penalty and is actually free from prison now if, again, the reports are true. I don’t know the ins and outs of the case, but why did he receive a lesser sentence, does anyone know? Is it yet another instance of a stronger sentence against a woman because “women really don’t do such things” so if they do they face a harsher sentence?

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The only European country to use execution as a punishment is Belarus, that bastion of democracy and civilised behaviour.

GrannyGravy13

There are lots of heinous crimes when my heart says the death penalty is appropriate, then my head gives a reality check.

The death penalty is state sanctioned murder, makes that country no better than the person they are executing.

...so the answer is........

I think I agree with you GrannyGravy. Although I sometimes have mixed feelings. When someone is scentenced to death in America why are they on death row for such a long time? 30 years for this woman !!!!

I cannot watch the news coverage of this, but know she has been in solitary confinement for 30 years. Surely this is against the law in itself. What a vile system run by dreadful people thinking this is acceptable. It is like the worst horror film. I would think
the hospital will not save her life, at least in death she will have peace. Shame on anyone involved in this. She did a dreadful thing, this won't alter what happened.

The boy in the case was younger and although he served a sentence he is alive and has been released I think.
But after 30 years why execute her now?

Horrifying,the stuff of nightmares. They should leave this unfortunate woman alone now. If she had been a successful male she would have been treated for her mental health problems.

WoodLane7

I don't think I have ever heard of anyone surviving an execution attempt, even a botched one. Of course, it is unclear at the moment what will happen; she may never wake up. Who knows what brain and organ damage those two doses may have caused?

Maybe they should let her live her life if it’s fail twice.
Maybe someone was watching over her, who knows.

Ooh i couldn’t imagine having a murderers organs dr Watson.
I’ve heard stories of heart transplants, where the recipient has had odd feelings of a change of personality.

ladyleftfieldlover I've reported you for racism.