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Sorry repeating myself!!!

Atiqui I agree saying you don't have to listen to it doesn't really cut the mustards because the words are out there & HAVE to have some influence subconsciously or otherwise I get very cross with people who are so blasé about it all saying they are JUST WORDS because JUST WORDS can start wars

They maybe only words BUT words influence don't be naive it is insidous how do you think wars start etc etc words have brought us to this point!!! How much worse do you want things to get

Oo Riverwalk a bit sarcastic love

WAP is vile. The posters blithely saying that it’s up to parents to police what their children hear seem to be totally oblivious of the abusive, dysfunctional, frightening homes that many children are trapped in. Nobody is going to protect them from this garbage.

I find it ironic that the BBC are censoring The Fairytale of New York by the Pogues, wont play Baby its cold outside but are happy to plat Cardi B and others if thst ilk with sexually explicit lyrics. I know that every generation comes up with this situation, my Dad forbade me to listen to the Rolling Stones; but i cant help feeling that things are definitely off kilter these days.

I totally agree that some lyrics in today's "music" are totally inappropriate.

I grew up in the 70s/80s and I look back at when the BBC banned Frankie Goes To Hollywood's 'Relax', compared to some of the lyrics being put out there now, 'Relax' was tame.

A few posters say that these words are a product of today's society, I agree that they are but why should society encourage this? I walk down the street and hear 7 and 8yr olds swearing. When I was 18 I didn't swear, partly because I didn't hear it at home and I was brought up with the understanding that I'd be severely punished if I was heard swearing. Even now at 52, if my mother heard me say 'bloody or 'fart' she would give me a clout!

Only last week, I was in the supermarket and saw a girl of about 13 brazenly stealing by not scanning items at the self checkout and I made her aware that I'd seen what she'd done, I got a barrage of vile language (that even my children of 24 and 31 would never use in front of me and certainly not directed at me), the tamest part of which was calling me a 'dumb bitch', which isn't particularly severe but still enough to get my back up. Initially, I didn't think it was worth saying anything to the store but after the way she swore at me I grabbed a member of staff, told her what the girl had done and she caught her as she was exiting the store. We checked the CCTV which proved her dishonesty and as I was walking away (I know I should have been the adult/bigger person), I said to her 'now who's the dumb bitch?', it felt so good to rub it in!

I digress.... I think what I'm trying to say is that we know that times change and not always for the better but some of these changes shouldn't be allowed or encouraged, since when did it become ok for young children to swear at adults? In many cases these days, if you speak to the parents you'll get more of the same, so you can see where the attitude is coming from.

I'm not prefect, not by any means but I did raise my children to have morals and to respect their elders, I know that they both use bad language on occasions (as do I) but it's contextual and never used maliciously, directed at an individual.

The world needs a clean up where people's attitudes and ultimately actions are concerned!

Smack my Bitch up is hardly in the same league as WAP

I would never intervene with what children are listening to. Why on earth would I?

We used to sing along to Bad Girlfriend in the car. And F*ck You by Lily Allen

The latter is such a pretty tune

But WAP is gross. As my children say.

I don't need to go on youtube Lucretzia to listen to Wap because I've already heard it, I'd hardly comment if I hadn't. If kids are listening to it then it's up to their parents to intervene not a bunch of granny's. My kids listened to smack my bitch up without coming to any harm or feeling the need to follow the lyrics. It was equally controversial at the time but was voted one of the greatest dance tunes ever and was accompanied by a very explicit video. Then again I talked to my kids about all sorts. Also Cardi B is only doing and "singing" about what male rappers have been doing for years, her choice.

I just don’t understand some modern music, and thankfully can’t understand most of the words - whatever happened to diction?

You only have to listen to the language some kids use walking down the street with each other and they think nothing of it. Probably the lyrics in the songs don't shock them like us. I remember calling my sister a pig and my mother hit me a severe slap for it. Times have changed, music has changed and all for the worst. I'm only 54, danced my way through the 80s, but now feel a prude. I thoroughly enjoyed myself, but we didn't need the anger and explicit language they need in songs now.

As an aside, as far as rapping goes, I quite like some if it.

Loved Eminem since way back. Missy Elliott and I love Mary J Blige

I guess I'm an old school rap fan

Have you ever heard WAP by Cardi B, FlexibleFriend?

If you go on Youtube it's there and you can get a clip with the lyrics on

It's not good .It really isn't,

I'm no prude. I was a wild child to say the least, in my youth

Whilst I am not shocked with the song, I don't really care. But I agree with others who have mentioned children liking these songs.

Hopefully not singing along

Next time a rapper comes on the t.v., switch on the subtitles.

I did this the other night when a female rapper was singing.
I couldn’t quite believe the lyrics.
Mostly, you can’t understand the lyrics without the subtitles.
Quite an eye opener.
Try it.

I don’t know any of these lyrics ,but I don’t understand the “You don’t have to listen” attitude , if these songs express sexual violence or degradation of women. We don’t have to read racist or mysogenistic stuff but we don’t condone it ( I hope) We don’t have to watch pornography either, but it is causing untold damage to young people , in their attitudes to sex .

Radio 4 fan here - I haven't heard of half the people mentioned here! Nor have I heard the songs I've just read about.

Roxie
I think this titbit would have given you a touch of the vapours.
OH and I had to pick up grandaughter from school. As usual we asked what lessons she did that day ( she's 11)
Sex education came the answer. I asked for more details: masturbation came the answer. No embarrassment. I found it a wonderful healthy attitude.

grannie7
Younger people wouldn't be seen dead watching YouTube or posting on FB. Those sites are for old/older people.

I simply don't have a problem with it. I wouldn't listen to Cardie B from choice but defend her right to sing about her body using whatever words she deems fit. I've never been easily shocked and seem to be becoming less and less shockable. Each to their own.

They coming to take me away haha

Oh roxie do you see Fart as a rude word it’s an every day word which I m sure you’re granddaughter will probably use too
delila you are right we paved the way with free love psychedelic drugs the pill and rock and roll our parents were I m sure just as shocked when Elvis trust his pelvis and Tom Jones caught the girls knickers imagine that happening in our parents time
Many words that were rude or unused in our day are now just regular words and although they might sound horrific to our ears they sound as normal as ‘how are you’ to a young persons ears The f word is the equivalent of ‘whoops’ to our grandkids we can’t bear it because it’s engrained in our heads as a dreadful word not to be used
Lyrics have always been a bit iffy just more hidden in our songs but you can bet your bottom dollar the meaning was still there

It’s o.k to say that we don’t need to listen but our grandchildren do listen, because they follow the trends and their peers.b

Hi, why not give her a promise in a card of a lunch out next year when life gets back to normal?☺️

You can actually hear the lyrics??? [puzzled]

And yet the original lyrics of Fairy Tale of New York is banned on Radio One..... complete nonsense really ??‍♀️