Gransnet forums

Other subjects

Snowdon / Snowdonia

(31 Posts)
Anniebach Sat 01-May-21 09:58:56

Anyone support the campaign to change the English names of
Snowdon back to its original name Yr Wyddfa, and Snowdonia
National Park back to Eryi ?

Australia changed Ayers Rock to Uluru in 1993

Whitewavemark2 Sat 01-May-21 10:00:43

A rose by any other name etc.

I don’t mind one way or another.

grandMattie Sat 01-May-21 10:03:33

I've got no problem with that - think Mumbai/Bombay or Madras/Chennai; Beijing...

The difficulty is knowing how to pronounce it!

Casdon Sat 01-May-21 10:11:09

Changing the official name back to Welsh is fine with me, but I don’t think it will change in everyday use from Snowdon for many years. We’re luckier in mid Wales Anniebach, I don’t think they will change the name of Pen y Fan.

Delila Sat 01-May-21 10:11:23

If the Welsh are in favour of going back to original Welsh names, I am too.

M0nica Sat 01-May-21 10:18:24

Let the Welsh call it what they wish and let other people speaking different languages call it what they wish as well.

Should we insist that the French call our capital London instead of Londres, our country England not Angleterre.

Every country should decide the official name of everywhere in there country, what others call these places is irrelevant.

Australia and Ayers Rock/Uluru is not an eqivalent. The indigenous people do not live in their own country separated from the rest of Australia. It is the Australian incomers recognising an important religious and ritual site of the indigenous people which is in the legal entity that is Australia.

BBbevan Sat 01-May-21 10:19:19

Yes I am .

Anniebach Sat 01-May-21 10:26:22

Casdon change Pen y fan 😱.

Monica the Welsh were not allowed to call it by its Welsh name same as when the Welsh were not allowed to speak their
own language, nothing to do with the French,

Pantglas2 Sat 01-May-21 10:35:39

I’m not that bothered - there are so many Welsh mountain names Carneddau, Tryfan, Crib Goch etc that climber get used to seeing in Wales. They’ll get used to seeing/recognising the signage for Yr Wyddfa/Eryri!

They’ll continue to call it what they want anyway!

Kim19 Sat 01-May-21 10:41:49

Is there to be an actual vote on it by the Welsh people or has the decision already been made? I don't mind at all but might take a minute or two to get the new name into my head. I have such a warm glow when I think of Snowdon.

henetha Sat 01-May-21 10:42:52

I love Wales (and think I might have lived there 400 years ago).
I've climbed Snowdon and Pen Y Fan and will still love them whatever they are called. Wales has a right to change the name if they wish. I don't mind, whatever.

JaneJudge Sat 01-May-21 10:46:16


Casdon change Pen y fan 😱.

Monica the Welsh were not allowed to call it by its Welsh name same as when the Welsh were not allowed to speak their
own language, nothing to do with the French,

Yes, I think people are completely ignorant to this! I support the change of names back to Welsh

Septimia Sat 01-May-21 10:47:55

I agree Pantglas; most of the other Welsh peaks are called by their Welsh names so it makes sense to call Snowdon Yr Wyddfa. A lot (all?) of Scottish mountains only have Gaelic names, after all.

Redhead56 Sat 01-May-21 10:48:24

I am looking at my map of Gogledd Eryri Snowdonia North as I type it’s so beautiful. I think it’s a Welsh mountain it should be named Welsh.

Anniebach Sat 01-May-21 11:53:39

Thank you all , they won’t change the name but we who want it
back to its correct name will still campaign.

We did get the road signs changed so 🤞

Greyduster Sat 01-May-21 12:06:13

Bring it on! Trouble is, my poor DH will never get his tongue around any of that, and he’s Welsh!

suziewoozie Sat 01-May-21 12:11:52

English colonialism

‘With English sovereignty over Wales made official with Henry VIII’s Act of Union in 1536, use of Welsh was largely banned and laws were passed which removed the official status of the Welsh language. This meant people had to speak English to get work and progress. The suppression of the language extended to education too. In parliamentary reports known as The Blue Books it says: ‘The Welsh language is a vast drawback to Wales, and a manifold barrier to the moral progress and commercial prosperity of the people. It is not easy to over-estimate its evil effects… It dissevers the people from intercourse which would greatly advance their civilisation, and bars the access of improving knowledge to their minds.’

Blossoming Sat 01-May-21 12:13:59

I prefer the Welsh names

suziewoozie Sat 01-May-21 12:14:06

And this ....

Welsh Not
Device to stigmatise and punish children
The Welsh Not (also Welsh Knot, Welsh Note, Welsh Stick, Welsh Lead or Cwstom) was an item used in Welsh schools in the 18th, 19th and 20th centuries to stigmatise and punish through flogging children who were heard using the Welsh language.

Typically The Not was a piece of wood, a ruler or a stick, often inscribed with the letters "WN". This was given to the first pupil to be heard speaking Welsh. When another child was heard using Welsh, The Not was taken from its current holder and given to the latest offender. Whoever was in possession of The Not was encouraged to pass it on to any of their Welsh-speaking classmates by informing the teacher that they had caught someone else speaking Welsh. The pupil in possession at the end of the day was subjected to corporal punishment or other penalty (some reports suggest the punishment was administered at the end of the week, or at the end of each lesson). This was to encourage pupils not to speak Welsh.

Anniebach Sat 01-May-21 13:02:56

Thank you suziewoozie. Forgive me for making this personal, my grandfather who was born and brought up on Anglesey was hit with the Welsh Note, his parents only spoke Welsh as did his 4 sisters. He was a lovely man but within him always was a dislike of the English , not an individual but just
‘The English’.

It still flairs up with my grandchildren during the Six Nations Rugby, even the sports commentators refer to the Wales v England games as ‘the old enemies’.

Grandma70s Sat 01-May-21 13:09:46

When I lived in Wirral we had a clear view of Moel Famau in North Wales (it’s visible form Liverpool, too), and it was always called Moel Famau. No English name was ever used, whatever the nationality of the speaker. I’m sure we could all a manage to call Snowdon by its Welsh name.

suziewoozie Sat 01-May-21 13:40:59

I just think we need to know about this history of suppression of language and what it said about power and the Union. History matters and as annie showed, people today knew people affected by this. I learned about it from an old Welsh lady over 40 years ago who was still indignant about being punished . I’ll never forget the flash of anger in her eyes.

SueDonim Sat 01-May-21 14:22:30

My Welsh mum says she’s not changing now, after 93 years of calling it Snowdon! grin

Interestingly, though, when I was telling her about the campaign, I couldn’t remember how to pronounce the words so I began spelling it out and she knew immediately what I was trying to say. Maybe she has a hidden folk memory of the original name. smile

Anniebach Sat 01-May-21 15:14:15

suzie much is never said of the truth of The United Kingdom, saddens me, we are united yet divided .

SueDonim If it was allowed to return to its correct name it
will always be called Snowdon , but I still support the campaign
to restore the true name.

SueDonim Sat 01-May-21 15:46:33

I have to say, Annie a new name doesn’t bother me. If people want it to be called Yr Wyddfa, I can’t think why it shouldn’t be called that.

The man I heard on Radio 4 the other day seemed eminently sensible about it, he explained some interesting history behind it and said that he understood not everyone would use the version they’re proposing and that was fine, no one would be offended. I also heard that the majority of people in Australia now call Uluru by that name - we can adjust.

Is there still a Lord Snowdon? Will he change his name, too, I wonder?