EU Referendum: tell us what you think - chance to win £100! NOW CLOSED

So you haven't taken everything into consideration. You do not know what will happen to your daughter and her family and other emigrants.
Have you asked her what she thinks?

Have a look at a website called www.thelocal.fr and search Brexit.

I feel we would be better out too taking everything into consideration. My worry is that I have a daughter and grandchildren living in France. She has been there for 23 years so they are really established over there and I don't know what effect it would have on British citizens living there if we left the EU.

It was because we are in the EU. France will not want UK border police in their country if we vote to be separate from France.
Calais was only part of the UK in the middle ages. It isn't any more.
France will not want or need to stop refugees coming to the UK.

durhamjen, we wouldn't need to leave Calais to watch our borders. This was an arrangement between France and UK, not an European one. The big problem in the Kent ports is the volume of traffic, the number of illegals coming over with/out connivance of lorry drivers, the acute shortage of border guards and finally the problems with the number of illegals, especially minors "stuck" in Kent. No-one wants the! It is tragic.
But I shall still vote out - the euro is on the point of collapse and we don't want to catch the flotsam, and I don't think that Europe and become a Federation due to the extraordinary difference in the different philosophies that make up the governments, from Marxist and Kantian to Utilitarian!

Oops I meant I want our country back please excuse mistake had cataract surgery yesterday.

Hi all I am out I want our county back.

Of course we control our borders, Rosina. We have immigration points at every entry and can decide to stop anybody coming in who does not have the papers we state they should have. Every airport has border controls. We could decide to check the papers of everyone who arrives if we wanted to.
That is control of borders.
If we wanted to do it better, we could have border control in Kent instead of Calais.
In fact, if we left, we would have to have it in Kent instead of Calais.

Re your comments on the ECHR, you could look at this to see if it supports your prejudices.

fullfact.org/europe/human-rights/

I want to stay in. Anyone who thinks that coming out of the EU will have any positive effect on immigration is deluded. We're being bled dry by US multi nationals companies, last time I looked the US was not part of the EU

So when you gone on holiday you want to queue up in the non EU queue to holiday in Europe!

Most fervently - OUT. Apart from our farmers (my son in law is in despair with the EU rules strangling his once thriving farm) our borders (did you know that evidently we 'control our borders' according to the leaflet sent by the government? Oh hahaha) the immigration nightmare and many other really serious issues, the one that has me determined to vote out is the European Court of Human Rights, which overrules our judicial system and tells us to keep monstrous criminals and stalls for years the deportation of terrorists.

We are for the most part a decent, tolerant law abiding and democratic nation and we do not need to be told how to treat people. Certainly not by Strasbourg.

Finally, when I and no doubt millions of other Grans voted back in the seventies it was to join THE COMMON MARKET. Free trade is what we opted for - not to lose our sovereignty and see this stifling of our independence and watch the gravy train in Brussels gather momentum. Rant over.

Done.

When I tried to do this survey it told me I'd already done it - but I don't remember doing so! Must be a CRAFT moment (Can't Remember A Flipping Thing)

My message to posh kitty and chrissye07 - I will not be bothering with this forum in future. I have better things to do with my time than deal with the rudeness of some people on here who seem to think they own the place. There are more friendly forums to join where a welcome is usual. As for a "prize" - no thanks, not that desperate.

Voting stay in - don't much like a lot about the EU but think the alternative will be a disaster

To Posh Kitty and Irish Lady. I am a new poster too although I joined Gransnet some time ago, I didn't "get around to it" with regard to posting for some time. I hope other posters understand that maybe this is the first time we are really serious about a topic and not be disregarded simply because we are new.
Most of the reasons for staing in the EU are hollow to say the least. Youngsters travelling freely in Europe!!!! I studied at the Sorbonne and Heidelberg in the 1960s s part of my European History degree, long before the Common Market or the EU and travel was never a problem.
The EU in fact has far more to lose than we do. The EU bonfire of the vanities is funded in no small way by us so they would have to cut back severely if we left. I have no sympathy with them as they have totally disregarded us throughout. Germany and France lead the EU and their attitude to the UK is the same - Pay Up and Shut Up. Enough already.

Thank you Carol - I noticed that too. We voted on the Common Market. The EU came into being with the Lisbon Treaty. Gordon Brown promised us a referendum on that but chickened out so we were lumbered with it anyway.
I am voting out - the EU costs far too much, takes away our freedom to decide who comes into the country or not and does very little in return.

that last message for for Chrissye07 - How I miss the old English sense of humour, everyone seems to be soooooo serious and telling us how to think, what to say ! We will all vote how we like, it's a referendum!

oooooooooooooooooooooooooo loosen up!

I will be voting out.

Done it. Stay in

After a serious bout of 'don't know', I will be voting OUT.

No I haven't posted on that 'serious' thread, durhamjen, because I haven't seen it. I didn't realise there were forums on here as I haven't been on very much since I joined gransnet and have only nipped on now and then to have a quick read. I saw the mention of EU and clicked on it to read since this is an important topic and I wanted to read other peoples opinions. I'm sorry if I offended you by doing the survey because I am a new poster and I will look for the rule that says I should have looked for the other EU forum before the one with the survey that would give me the remotest chance of winning £100 in vouchers that I'm so desperate for. I just felt sad to see snide comments about new posters only doing it to win something and to be honest so what if they did?

1400+ posts on the how will you vote in the EU referendum thread.
Have you posted on there, Chrissye07?

That's the serious thread on it. It's been going a lot longer than this one.
I see you have, Christalbee, but your post is ambiguous.

I'm definitely Out - no question! I love Europe but not the EU - can't understand how anyone could want to stay in. I for one don't believe all the hype and propaganda from the In's, so defo out for me and most people I know.

I feel really sad to read that such an important topic that will have a huge impact on our country either way has raised suspicion by other members. I joined gransnet because I am a grandmother and enjoy reading things on here but don't always have the time to read forums and have probably only ever entered 2 competitions - I did not complete this survey or put my vote on here to win any money. I noticed the topic when I logged in to have a read of tips and such and completed the survey that was put on here to do just that. I think comments about anyone else's motives are quite rude actually. This is gransnet not kidsnet and everyone is entitled to their opinion as long as it doesn't personally upset anyone else, surely? New members or old members all should have the right to comment.
As for me, I'm a newbie to the forums and wont be put off commenting by suspicion.

I don't think your view is cynical at all, janea, and of course there's nothing wring with it, either way. That's what I was saying too. I only commented as I did because there seemed to be some surprise in some quarters that there were a number of new poster names on this thread. There being new names on a thread offering a chance to win some money didn't surprise me at all.