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Madmeg Mon 12-Jun-17 21:16:32

I've been married for almost 45 years. It's not been a brilliant marriage, but we've loved and raised two children, done well in our careers, enjoyed reasonably good health and are not strapped for cash.

Apologies for the long rant.

We took early retirement about 7 years ago and spent the first 4 years bringing our shabby house up to date (mostly done by ourselves). We never really discussed what we wanted to do in retirement but I know he always wanted to improve his photography skills, see a bit of the world and have a model railway (he has most of the kit in boxes). None of it has happened, and he doesn't show any interest in making it, or anything else, happen.

He sleeps 10 hours plus a night, so it's late morning before he gets up, so too late to go anywhere interesting. He thinks that driving 10 miles is a long journey, so being in a rural area means even the next town is too far for him.

He has no plans for the rest of his/our life. It is down to me to organise holidays and he tags along. It is down to me to arrange to visit our girls and grandchildren, and he doesn't seem particularly interested in doing anything with them (they are aged 5 and 3) - he sits in a chair and watches them play. He would happily stay at home every day and potter.

His conversation is non-existent. Today I tried to discuss the success or otherwise of comprehensive schools and he seems to have forgotten what they were, calling them Secondary Moderns, and telling me that our daughters went to grammar schools (they didn't). And this is a man who spent years of his life involved in politics, both local and national, and whose career was in Higher Education. The conversation ended with me in tears cos his arguments were factually wrong and he couldn't see that they were. He told me I was being bossy.

The girls have noticed all this too, and basically have stopped including him in conversations involving anything that requires advice or an opinion - they just ask me, and welcome my input. The most they get from him is "I don't know" or worse, incorrect advice, or even worse a badly-told joke instead that they have heard tens of times before.

Before we took early retirement 7 years ago he talked of developing his photography skills, travelling Europe in our caravan, setting up a model railway (he has all the kit in boxes in the loft). But he's made no effort to pursue any of these. I found him a photography class but after a few sessions he declared it wasn't useful to him. I have drawn up plans to convert our garage for a fabulous model railway but he has barely looked at them saying he is "not sure about it". As for travelling Europe, he now thinks a ten-mile journey is long-distance and suddenly has declared that he has always hated driving - this man had a Triumph Spitfire when I met him!

He is slow and plodding at everything now (he never was fast, but it all seems worse), declaring that "it is bad for you to rush about" and "I like taking my time". Meanwhile I am boiling with rage inside. Even his speech is now laboriously slow, and I've noticed friends losing concentration and wandering off before he has finished his point - which is usually not even interesting.

Everyone thinks he is a "nice man", and he is. He wouldn't ever insult anyone or hurt any living thing. But two friends recently told me "He's a lovely man, but heck, he's hard work isn't he?".

He's nearly 71 (I'm 65). Is this what 71-year-olds are supposed to be like and am I being unrealistic expecting him to have enthusiasm for things? I certainly still have plans and enthusiasm, and could cheerfully take myself off alone to do them, but I'd much rather we did it as a couple, or at least know that if I were off doing something, he would be doing his own thing too.

How do I spend the rest of my life with this bore? Can I chivvy him up in some way to be more lively and positive? When people ask how he is, his standard reply is "Oh, not too bad considering". Considering what? He is fit as a flea.

I say he is as fit as a flea. This is another bugbear (and I apologise again for the length of my post). As I said earlier, his hobby involves politics, so you can imagine that with County Council elections in May and the General Election in June, we have been out delivering leaflets every day. Except I have delivered 80% of them myself, either because he was too tired to come with me, or because he was so slow. I must add that I am not fit. I am more than a little in the obese range on the charts, and he is at the bottom end of "overweight". One particular day we were delivering on a modern estate of semis and I devised a route for each of us that would end up back at the car. If either of us got to the car first, we would carry on and meet the other later down the road. So I did my half, and back to the car. I carried on. And on. And on. By now I was worrying that I was sticking a leaflet through a door he had already done. So I phoned him. Yes, he was fine, he was just round the corner. I had delivered 175 leaflets to his 35. When I queried it with him I was told that his arthritis was playing up. What arthritis? Never been mentioned before. But okay, his knee was hurting. A few days later we were doing another round with the same plan but I made sure that his houses had no steps or steep drives. I did 160 with steps and slopes to his 20 on the flat. His response was "Just because you can go like fury doesn't mean I have to do the same". But surely that isn't normal to have done so little? Is it another example of him having no enthusiasm?

Sorry for the long post, I didn't know what to leave out to give you a proper picture.

MawBroon Tue 13-Jun-17 10:36:24

He may have had a TIA codfather the falls may have been due to that and not "attention grabbing". Do you know for certain there was no reason? It could also be Tendonitis or arthritis?
You sound as if you gave him short shrift anyway hmm

codfather Tue 13-Jun-17 10:30:14

A similar thing happened to our friend. I've known him for 40 years now and in the last few months, he changed radically. He stopped moving his arm for no medical reason whatsoever! He kept having "falls" which were basically attention grabbing. I put up a curtain rail for him and he was so offensive, I offered to install it somewhere where he couldn't draw the curtains! He became so demanding that he had to be placed in a home. This all happened in a space of weeks. It's a form of dementia. It can strike anyone at any time! There's no shame in it, it's an illness!

NemosMum Tue 13-Jun-17 10:25:15

Apathy and non-engagement is a common early feature of some forms of dementia. As it is, your husband is unlikely to agree to going to the doctor, but you can. Go and talk to the GP. Whilst they can't divulge anything about him, they can listen, and a good GP will find a way to engage him: bring him in for a 'health check' etc. Also, you need your feelings to be acknowledged. Although you are boiling mad at the moment, and naturally disappointed in how your retirement has turned out, I agree with others that you need to start doing stuff yourself. Please, please don't let this destroy you - join some clubs/classes, or do some voluntary work. In the end, we need to be proactive to achieve our own fulfilment.

blue60 Tue 13-Jun-17 10:24:30

Madmeg - I would try and get him to see your GP as it seems there may be an underlying cause for his behaviour.

WendyBT Tue 13-Jun-17 10:23:54

Definitely a health check I would say.

Nannarose Tue 13-Jun-17 10:22:04

Whist I agree with those who talk about a health check, I do think it likely that he will dismiss the idea.
I think that the poster who suggested that you think more about his point of view is correct, but that can be difficult. I hope that coming on here has helped you a bit!

I think that first of all, you need to 'let him be' whilst you talk to someone about your own feelings. When you feel calmer, and can feel as if you are getting along a bit better (and during this time, I would make no serious demands on him) then maybe you will be in a place to have a conversation about how he is feeling, what he would like to be doing, whether he does need to have a health check etc. You could include that you need to be 'out & doing' so you can establish a pattern for what you do and when.

It can be difficult to change habits /unwritten rules.In our marriage for instance, the 'unwritten rule' has always been that hobbies / interests are pursued separately, but holidays are always taken together. We see from many posts here how different these 'rules' can be, but also how changing them takes some negotiation!

I do think that to suggest your DH has a health check needs to
come from him seeing you are 'on his side' rather than the irritation you are feeling now.

Your DH may be 'protecting' himself, although we don't know what may be the root of this change in behaviour. I do wish you luck in negotiating this difficult time.

radicalnan Tue 13-Jun-17 10:20:33

Health issue or not, you msut start taking better care of yourself a put some positives into your life.

If he'd done the train set thing, wouldn't he just be sat in there for hours at a time watching things go around? What would you have been doing then to amuse yourself?

Lots of men are tag-a-longs when it comes to making arrangements and as you are capable why not just arrange things to suit yourself. It seems you may have to get used to him not being well and starting to survive all that by looking toy our own future is a good start.

When you boil with rage what? or who are you raging at?

pen50 Tue 13-Jun-17 10:17:34

Had similar problems with my DH. It was vascular dementia. Definitely get him checked.

kittylester Tue 13-Jun-17 09:52:22

Dh puts it well. He says everyone has their cross to bear - some days it is heavier than others.

GN is good when one's cross is heavy and I think that's why I was fairly angry that you were given short shrift.

morethan, you know we are all here for you when you need us.

Now back to one of the silly threads!

kittylester Tue 13-Jun-17 09:48:29

Ann, I know that it looks that way sometimes.

When DS1 was, potentially, at death's door on the other side of the world, my mother was at her worst and my bothers were not speaking to me, I met a friend who told me all about how romantic her husband had been on a recent holiday. I had been expecting some words of cheer and reassurance so you can imagine my feelings when he was found to have been having an affair for years.

In retrospect I should have had more sympathy for her! blush

shysal Tue 13-Jun-17 09:23:07

annsixty sad flowers

Christinefrance Tue 13-Jun-17 09:01:00

Definitely go for the health check Madmeg, there could be several reasons for your husband's problems. I think you need to relax a little too and give yourselves a bit of breathing space,do some things which you enjoy with friends and family.
Don't take life at a full gallop now you are retired sit back and enjoy the scenery.
Hope things get better for you both.

annsixty Tue 13-Jun-17 08:49:05

Thankyou for that example * Riverwalk* it mirrors my own experience, including the divorce.
I have never told anyone else that.

annsixty Tue 13-Jun-17 08:45:27

It sometimes looks that way kitty when your own seems quite dysfunctional.
I speak from experience .
I see two friends about every 3 months and always get down listening to their stories. I know I shouldn't see them but after 40 years it is hard to break away.
Just me being sorry for myself again.
I try to let it wash over me but don't always succeed.

Riverwalk Tue 13-Jun-17 08:42:18

Madmeg your husband's possible mental decline aside, I'm reminded of my ex PILs. FIL retired in his 50s and is now about 92.

He's had no hobbies or interests, no good at DIY, didn't do anything unless organised by MIL or adult children. He'd been a demanding and controlling husband (rather like his son, my ex) but as soon as he retired he didn't mellow into a pussycat as such just turned into a 'blob' - I can't think of another way to describe him. He was always interested in his DGC but that's about all.

He's now very frail and been ill for a long time but still mentally sharp. Saintly MIL is helping to care for him - I remember about 20 years ago she was seriously thinking of divorcing but didn't in the end.

It seems to be a big problem with men who have no life-long hobbies or not into DIY - they don't suddenly develop interests in retirement despite a wife's best efforts to encourage them!

kittylester Tue 13-Jun-17 08:28:29

I doubt everyone has the perfect family Marydoll despite appearances. Most people are making the best if what they have.

Have you serious concerns about your Dh?

Anya Tue 13-Jun-17 08:11:02

Able to cope not come.

Anya Tue 13-Jun-17 08:10:24

Much of this resonates with me madmeg so I've had to learn coping skills.

Firstly neither get him out the house (luckily mine will walk the dogs or better still play golf occasionally) or get out and about yourself. You really do need to find something or someone to compensate for the boring, empty hours.

That way you will be able to come with the mind-numbing inbetween bits. I'm off to the Edinburgh Fringe in August - without him!!

Baggs Tue 13-Jun-17 07:56:01

As others have said, it sounds as if a health check with the GP would be a good idea. If he won't do that and continues to be a pain in the butt about everything, then do stuff without him. Leave him at home and get on with your own stuff.

My mischievous self is saying: start playing with his model train set! Nick his camera and take up photography wink

Marydoll Tue 13-Jun-17 07:49:06

I agree with everyone, seeing a doctor would be advisable. However, getting him see see one may be problematic, if he doesn't want to go or think anything is wrong with his behaviour. I can empathise with you and the "boiling with rage inside" feeling. I found it hard trying to speak to my children about my DH being "difficult", "Stop moaning, mum!" All they saw was their father as he always was, nice, sharp, dependable dad. It wasn't until we went away for a family break last weekend, they saw what I has having to deal with. Is there anyone you can confide in? I couldn't speak to friends, as was I embarrassed to tell about his behaviour towards me. Everyone else always seems to have the "perfect" family/ relationship! flowers for you.

Margsus Tue 13-Jun-17 07:00:34

The first thing that occurred to me was that he needs to see the doctor.

vampirequeen Tue 13-Jun-17 06:51:40

I'm another who thinks he needs to see a doctor. There is a something amiss in his behaviour that needs checking out.

Angela1961 Tue 13-Jun-17 06:47:00

If illness is ruled out ( hopefully ) then don't just be indoors, get out an about. Join a few groups, meet friends for lunch, take up a new hobby. He may decide that the new life your enjoying is something he would like as well.

kittylester Tue 13-Jun-17 06:43:57

I agree with all the above comments. I am sure you have a deep down worry that this is something medical. The sooner you get him to the doctor, the sooner you can go forward with a plan and/or treatment.

Please come back and let us know what happens. flowers

BlueBelle Tue 13-Jun-17 05:51:49

Oh dear madmeg although I can really see how disappointing it is for you I am feeling very sorry for your husband so many things point to dementia The calling schools by the old name coming from a sharp minded political man would be enough for me without any of the other clues. He sleeps a lot, his conversation is non existent, his world has shrunk, he couldn't deliver the leaflets without lots of organisation and guidance from you, he is slow and laborious, he is watching the world instead of partaking, he watches the children play He is slowly retreating from life You arranged a photography class but he didn't stay which you see as him being awkward maybe the poor man couldn't follow the instructions and felt overawed by it all

I apologise for sounding harsh but you really don't sound very loving or caring how can I spend the rest of my life with this bore the girls have stopped including him in any conversations i m boiling with rage on Poor man can't you all see that he is probably mentally ill Read your own post again and put the clues down there are so many there, step outside your disappointment and rage And read what we have read

If your husband has dementia your life is going to be very different to how you had mentally planned it The man needs help not chastising get him to a doctor and realise there may be more to this than a lazy, boring, unwilling husband

Good luck