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AnnaKat Sun 24-Dec-17 18:09:17

Hello and thanks smiless2012, you are right about it being a defence mechanism and because my ex's family and friends diverted calls through me a lot of the time instead of intruding on his gf, plus keeping an eye on and being their for own D, it was a case of best keep quiet until I was capable of listening, I was on high alert as it was and didn't trust myself to keep feelings in check.

You are right about not worrying, it's silly, should put energy into being happy and providing a safe nurturing home for me and D.

You lovely GPs have given a lot of sensible advice and comfort today. I felt much better about the situation and how to proceed, think it's time to lighten up and stop letting it consume my thoughts. It's been a lot to process in one year and my D, ex and GF did a brilliant job of supporting each other and getting through it sane and with love.
I'm going to make sure we cherish and enjoy this Christmas and remember the good moments.

I wish you all a Merry Christmas and hope there are no dry turkeys, fallen Christmas trees, sickness etc and a great time is had by all of you and your loved ones. Thanks again x

AnnaKat Sun 24-Dec-17 12:47:03

I have to go out soon, jeez I can go on and on in forums, don't usually go on them.

Well try be quick.

christinefrance, I am getting comfort with the reinforcement of accept, change the reaction and I quietly thank my mum for showing me how I don't want to be, a mother is a teacher you just don't get to pick the lessons or how it's delivered is my philosophy. My mum has taught me a lot.

Oldmeg, thank you so much, he's missed but in our hearts and minds, I got the hospice therapists out to guide my dd and I through this, invaluable. I think with I will take on the mantra of "casual acquaintance" and work on the guilt for doing this.

Grannyactivist, sorry you had to go through it. Up until this year, I had no animosity, just acceptance that she is who she is and to love her the way she was, wishing her happiness and peace. No genuine intetest in her gd so there is no bond, I suspect her long term relationship with gd will end the same as your situation.
This time has caught me with defences down and I have allowed myself to get hurt. Looking back, my head was too full to push the negative thoughts aside.

I'm grateful for all these responses, listening to all the suggestions, kind words, and thoughts had made me feel a bit stronger and less feeling like a spinning top. I m think it might be worthwhile to write down what triggers me right now to feel a reaction or hurt and put it to rest and accept. Then go about working on a happy life foe my daughter and I.

All of your words are encouraging and thank you. Can't believe one post and the responses has made me feel much more positive about things after all the ruminating I have been doing since the recent mum call.
Thank you! flowers

Smileless2012 Sun 24-Dec-17 12:27:32

AnnaKatflowersplease don't worry about how your relationship with your own daughter will be. Your post clearly demonstrates how well you articulate your feelings and also your sensitivity to your mother, despite her lack of support, for what ever reason, when you and your D needed it so badly.

Your D is only 9, and I'm sure as she grows she'll have questions especially if her GM isn't in regular contact and I don't doubt your answers will be as fair as they are truthful.

Avoiding your mum's 'phone call and then not giving her your full attention was probably a defensive mechanism, Having been through so much it's perfectly understandable that you'd be guarded.

It's very hard when a relationship doesn't live up to our expectations especially when those expectations aren't unreasonable. That said, I agree with the writing on Baggs' friend's T Shirt.

I hope that you and your D will be able to enjoy Christmas together and that next year you'll both find some peace and happiness.

AnnaKat Sun 24-Dec-17 12:19:09

I wish that was the case Jane 10, mum is highly sensitive, but also if it's not about her or it differs from her opinion or what she wants, she feels hurt. No winning. Us kids are half Australian and mum Scottish, we immigrated in 93 because she was so homesick and we were old enough to encourage and support her to follow her happiness, I was 17yo then.

I have hated having so much of my thoughts consumed by this situation and feeling confused. You are right, I need to concentrate and appreciate what I do have. A cracking lovely girl and other family members that I cherish and appreciate (brothers, cousins and ex's family)
Thank you.

grannyactivist Sun 24-Dec-17 12:17:04

AnnaKat - being in a similar situation to you I completely agree with Baggs' post. My mum is not going to change and so over the years I've come to accept things as they are and not how I would like them to be. My own children are all adults now and have a 'barely there' relationship with her, but there's no animosity, just a slight frustration on my behalf that I don't encourage. flowers

AnnaKat Sun 24-Dec-17 11:58:30

Starlady, she can't cope with death, takes it personally and thinks she could have prevented it and she doesn't think much of ex, said she thought he was wrong for me.
When I did speak about it on the first call and said I was OK but scared about him dying and not being there, she said it was probably for the best for me and my dd, she knows that everything has been harmonious with my ex and I and our partners, but just doesn't like him. I like him and we both learnt a lot from our marriage, we grew up together. He became a man in his second relationship and he knew I was proud of him.
Mum started pushing us away and withdrawing from us the moment the last brother returned to Oz a few years back, not wanting to spend Xmas with us. She missed him but could not share this with me which I accepted. It was ramped up the weeks leading up to her move and when my brother arrived to help her pack, she went off hysterical when I made a gentle suggestion to her about how to do something. I shut up quick, felt bad for her and made the excuse to myself that it was the move overwhelming her and to give her space. I realise now it was the final cut off on her part.
Mum does get jealous. I spent 95% of the time listening and speaking about her and squeeze my bit in at the end to keep her involved.
I avoided mum then half listened because I had so many other feelings to deal with and being their for dd that I had no resource left.

My biggest fear is that I will turn my dd away or hurt her with my insecurities, I think listening to you all, the best thing is to keep doors open, Accept Mum 100% and concentrate on improving my communication so I don't hurt and can engage in the relationship with my own DD, hopefully I will be a better communicator, supportive and loving to her.

OldMeg Sun 24-Dec-17 11:56:25

I agree with those who say just let her go. Don’t try to build any sort of relationship with this woman, just treat her as a casual acquaintance who gets in touch now and again. She not a mother in any true sense of the word so get on with your own life and make it a better one for yourself and your daughter.

So sorry that you’ve lost the good friend that was your ex.

AnnaKat Sun 24-Dec-17 11:16:16

Baggs, we sure did! Been crazy but we got through it.
More great advice, thanks.
I thought my standards were zero but the last year has shown me I could do with that tshirt lol

No guilt is hard, I need to work on that too.

AnnaKat Sun 24-Dec-17 11:06:26

Thank you all for your response and for reading to the end... No mean feat!

Bluebell thank you for saying you heard me, it bought comfort. I accept my mum as she is and processed my feelings privately in the past, I don't know whether it is the rawness of feelings this past year with exDH but this last act was hard to accept and I allowed it to hurt. It confused the hell of of me. I just never saw it coming funnily enough.

It is easy to be the opposite with my DD, hard thing will be trying to get past my reaction to this last situation and keep it sucked in and together. I feel overwhelmed by it. I thought I was good at not reacting and accepting/loving, but I have a lot to learn still as it turns out.
I will work on it. Thank you x

Christinefrance Sun 24-Dec-17 10:44:32

I agree with starlady you won't change your mother but you can change your reaction to her.
You have done all you can so now just accept that's how she is and move on.
Your relationship with your daughter is important so learn from your mother's mistakes. I wish you peace, happiness and acceptance.

Jane10 Sun 24-Dec-17 10:40:19

Is it possible that she's just not a very sensitive person and has become so immersed in her new life, which must be pretty overwhelmingly different from UK, that you have just receded in importance to her. It may just be nothing personal. As others have said, reduce your expectations of her, don't ruminate on it. You have a lovely daughter and other things in life, enjoy them!

Starlady Sun 24-Dec-17 10:35:42

Oh, I also meant to say, mum's feelings about sorrow or about your x may have made it hard for her to show support while your he was ill. Wish we had an edit button!

In fact, rereading, I realize she sent a sympathy card fast enough, it was giving support during his illness that was hard for her. Sorry I mixed that up. Maybe she was a little jealous, feeling you cared more about your x's health than hers? I'm sure the 2 don't compare, but she might have felt that way, anyhow.

I'm a little worried about your response when she finally was ready to reach out. You avoided her and then half-listened, thinking only of what was wrong with her words. I know it may have been "too little, too late." But I hope you don't fall into this same "I-can't-communicate" pattern because it could eventually hurt your relationship with your own dd. Please don't let that happen.

Starlady Sun 24-Dec-17 10:23:39

So deeply sorry for all you and dd have been through. (((Hugs!)))

Is it possible your mum can't deal with death or other people's sorrow? Some people are like that.

What did she think of your x and your decision to stay friendly after the divorce? Not her business, but maybe she had strong opinions against the friendship? That might have made it harder for her to express any sympathy for your grief at first.

Like Baggs, I think you're right that her poor relationship with her own mum, etc. has affected her relationship with you now. That would be why she gets along better with your dbs.

Also agree that you need to expect less from her than you do. Grieve the mum you never had and then accept the one you do. Remember, you can't change her, you can only change your own reaction to her.

Baggs Sun 24-Dec-17 08:20:55

AnnaKat, flowers You've had a tough year.

Your post made me think of this that a friend of mine had on a T-shirt: "When all else fails, lower your standards".
In your scenario I'm thinking that maybe you would feel less hurt (which would be a good thing) if you could learn to expect less from your mum. Send her a birthday card and a Christmas card, listen to her Me Me Me calls, and maybe do some grieving for the mother you haven't got. Then let it go.

And don't feel guilty.

All the best.

BlueBelle Sun 24-Dec-17 07:25:34

Welcome Annecat a long but well explained post I do feel for you and not sure I can think of any answers but really just wanted you to know you had been heard
I think you may have hit the nail on the head when you look at your mums relationship with her Mum and with you as a teenager and the fact that she seems comfortable with sons (your brothers) must be a clue
I think you must continue to ‘ be the opposite’ with your own daughter and build up your life outside your Mum keep the doors open, and keep up your good relationship with your brothers but accept that you actually CANNOT change anyone’s personality but you can learn to change your responses to it and to accept that life and them is not what you would want
Have a happy Christmas as possible in view of your recent troubles and please look for peace not answers
Xx

AnnaKat Sun 24-Dec-17 07:05:28

Hello, I just joined tonight because I am at a loss as to what to do and was hoping for better understanding of my mother's feelings and actions and feeling hurt.
Apologies for the long post.
My mum went no contact when she moved back to Oz in Sep 16. She warned me so many times before she moved that it would take time to get a contact number and wifi set up, I told her to take her time as she seemed to be getting worked up more and more as the move date approached and asked that she let me know when she arrived safely at my brothers. She was acting bizarrely towards me a few years before this but I put it down to her missing my other brother who went back to Oz a few years before and just told her it was OK and figured she just needed some time to work it out of herself and to settle in.
A week after she left I group messaged to my brothers and Mum that my daughters Dad (ex) had an inoperable brain tumour and a week after that I told them I was being made redundant but we were all coping OK. My brothers offered sympathy and although my mum was active on fb messenger, I got nothing. I asked my brothers to pass on the message which they did. I have had no contact from her except three times, once when she first moved where she called on fb messenger to ask me to pay a final bill (shortly after news of DD dad/redundancy and after asking how she was and how move was, etc and listening to her, then me bringing up our bad news because I didn't think she would, it was brushed aside by mum and call finished) after Xmas day call went unanswered and I texted her, then new years came and went when with texts from myself and calls, I mustered up the courage to directly message and ask if I had done something wrong and was she talking to me. Mum called straight away and said there was no problem and I asked again about how she was selling and listened for a long time about her new life and health. Again, I got to squeeze in how her GD and I were coping but she bought the conversation back around to herself and the call ended. I then sent mothers day and birthday presents and my texts got spaced apart because life got busy as his illness progressed and my DD needed me more. In July, I gave up and accepted she didn't want us in her life, I grieved her. It wasn't the first time I had been emotionally let down and having a loved one dying with no contact from my mum felt too cruel and I was exhausted from the tumultuous and confused feelings. I felt I lost my mum and only wished her happiness and that she had felt safe enough to give me a heads up. I looked into our relationship since she left trying to get an understanding why she was acting the way she days. I honestly didn't know what I had done wrong. An answer came up over and over, but I poo pood it as I think it is the current quick fix trend, a narcissistic mother and I refused to believe my mother is one. Her mother checked all boxes and some of the example scenarios for the words, my grandma had done. My mother was def the scapegoat middle child and I felt bad for her. I'm not sure, but I think that the only female adult role model that was supposed to nurture her, caused a lot of damage and it affected her relationship with me in my teens and at that age when you are judgemental, critical and rebellious and she took my road to independence as an attack on her. I have mellowed and learnt over the years to be sensitive and latterly to keep my mouth shut as anything I say seems to cause her hurt and I don't want that, she's different with my brothers who can tell her to back off if she tried to control too much and they are able to voice their opinions over little things.
My daughters dad died November. So tragic but my DD and I are doing ok. On the day of the funeral my younger brother (who has been my rock throughout the cancer, we don't talk about mums relationship with me in each other's company because it's confusing and puts a strain on our relationship), anyway, he called to say that mum had sent a card and he didn't want to be the messenger and it was a one off. He said mum wanted to call me that day but he said he would check with me first, unspoken knowledge about the silence between us I guess. I felt a blow but calmly thanked him and asked him not to be a messenger but could he ask one time that mum didn't call and let mum know we were OK and I would call when I was emotionally ready. I had decided at that point that I could not go on with our relationship but could not deal with saying it and didn't want my brother involved. I had resigned myself to the fact that she didn't want us a couple of months earlier and it had hurt but my DD and I managed to get through the awful time alone. She called a week later when I just woke up and I ignored it because I didn't know what to say, it hurt that she was calling now, and I couldn't face her. It was like getting a call from a dead person.
A week later she called again and I thought I would ask why. She started the call with "hi, what's your bank details for gd Xmas money... I said it was OK that she didn't have to and she said it's my gd and I said OK and gave it to her. She immediately jumped to the next subject which was her health, and spoke for over 20m about that. I managed to ask how she was and let her know I was glad the move was the right thing for her and I was happy for her, she went back to talking about herself and I listened. I said thank you for the sympathy card which had affectionate and casting words to both my DD and I, she said it must be awful for my gd and she wished she was there for her. She asked about my bf and I said he couldn't cope with the sadness and has slow faced out of our lives, she got defensive for us saying how horrible he was and that he should have been there for us. I said, yes, GD had lost both her dad and my bf this year. I wanted to say... And you and please don't be quick to judge others if you have done the same. But I had no courage and didn't know how to say it nicely. I ended the call after an hour because I was exhausted and had people to meet. I sent a text to say thanks for gd money and another with pics showing what was bought with it. My mum has let me down before or gone silent (then entered back in our lives brushing it under the carpet because of our bad communication skills, but not contacting to say she's even thinking of us throughout this last year was too much and felt cruel, it hurt so much and I had been accepting of the situation and trying to move on without her.
With these calls, it has thrown me emotionally upside down and bought the hurt back at a time when my DD and I are grieving. I cannot understand her actions and I'm not able to emphasise on this one (a first).

If you are still reading and can help, I would appreciate as much input as possible as I want to know if it's worth starting anew, .
Can anyone help me try understand my mother's point of view and why she chose to act this way. Any tips on how to communicate gently so no feelings are hurt?

Nb. DD is now 9yo and I amicably separated from her Dad when she was 5yo. We were best friends and then were married for 10 years and decided it was for the best and became good friends after working and looking after each other for a year after the split.
My Mum and I have built a strained relationship from my teens. I always felt it was her way or the highway and felt she was hurt if I disagreed or gave my opinion, so when my DD arrived, I was eager for her to be a part of our lives and build a relationship with DD hoping it would be better for them. There is no bond there, I think my mum blames me for that as she once said I didn't allow her to see gd and I apologise and gave her the answer, I always gave and that was to come anytime, no need to make an arrangement, just call anytime and if we are available, then the two of them can amend time together whenever she wants. I had high hopes that she would show interest but she never bothered. Sad, but I accepted it.