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Luckygirl Fri 28-Dec-18 14:46:35

I have a SisIL whom I find very difficult indeed.

Back story is that OH had very little to do with his family - tolerated them if they visited, but did not initiate contact; and I stopped encouraging him to make contact quite early in our marriage as I decided he was an adult and could choose to make contact or not. So - not a close family at all.

Fast forward a bit and SIL invites her (now widowed) father to go and live with them abroad. This caused a few raised eyebrows as she was known not to get on with him at all. After a year or so, she got fed up with him and rang us to say he was coming back to UK and would be arriving on X date (transport had been arranged). There was nowhere else for him to go but to us.

I later found out that he had contributed a substantial amount of money to their home abroad and some renovations there. It felt a bit as though he had outlived his usefulness there, so she ditched him on us, poor chap. The story was that he was "dying" so how could we refuse? - when he arrived it was perfectly obvious that this was not the case at all. (He went on to live another 5-6 years).

Having him in our home was a nightmare - OH barely spoke to him etc. In the end it was I who had to just say to him that it was not working out and we needed to get him back to his home town. I expended a great deal of effort getting him suitable accommodation there and we moved him back.

When he died some years later, we arranged all the funeral etc. and SIL came over from abroad, arrived before we did, sifted through his house and took everything she wanted; then left us to clear everything else and deal with house sale etc. immediately the funeral ended.

One of the things I cleared out was FIL's laptop, from the contents of which I discovered correspondence with him from SIL relating to his will and suggesting he leave everything to the GC and bypass us (and to be fair also her) as we "have plenty of money." This is not the case as, due to serious illness, OH had to leave full time work at the age of 42, and this had a detrimental effect on his pension. But she neither asked us, nor told us what she had proposed to him. He died before changing his will in fact.

So.....there she is - not someone I know particularly well, but one who has dropped us in it a few times.

She now wishes to make contact with OH, her brother, as he has an incurable illness. Fair enough - I would not stand in her way, and could see she might want to mend fences. But.......she organised to come one weekend and said she would stay for one night and that I did not need to bother about making food as she would bring it all and make it. Fine. She arrived with a cake - just the one cake! - nothing else - and stayed two nights!

She then arranged another visit, which I had to cancel a few days before it was planned as we both had flu. Her reply to this was the most spiteful vitriolic email imaginable - about how typical it was of me trying to prevent her seeing her brother! - in whom she had shown zilch interest for decades! And how angry she was with me. I was gobsmacked! I replied very firmly indeed, telling her this was entirely inappropriate and unacceptable.

A few months later she wanted to come again and said that she and her partner would stay in a B&B and just pop in to see us both. Fine. She arrives complete with dog! - she knows how we feel about dogs in our home and garden but thought she could manipulate us into agreeing to have the dog in the house once she got here. I refused to budge- she then tried to manipulate my sick OH into agreeing - by this time I am seething! I had decided that I would be sweetness and light and just grin and bear the visit; but TBH I found I could not do this - not proud of that, but life is pretty stressful here and I could just do without it. So, I spent most of their visit busily doing the garden and left her to talk to her brother.

She now wants to come again - she rang when I was out, and said she was planning to ask my DD to put them up. Now, I know that my DD and family (they run their own business) are going to be crazily busy during the month she is coming and also that they too do not like dogs in the house. I had a word with DD and said she must say no if it is too much for them.

The time for the visit is drawing near and I have no doubt that I will hear soon she has rung DD to ask to say. I find myself absolutely dreading this visit and thinking of just making sure I am not around any more than I have to be to keep OH looked after. I spent my working life dealing with some of life's most damaged and difficult people and coped just fine. Why is this blessed woman my Waterloo? Why can I not rise above this?

Sorry for the long spiel - I feel better getting it off my chest - I cannot have these discussions with OH.

starbird Sat 05-Jan-19 23:50:51

Good outcome, well done Luckygirl.

Luckygirl Sun 30-Dec-18 10:47:42

Reply received: short sweet and to the point (not to say curt), but indicating that the message has been taken on board. No vitriol - hooray!

So the advice from some of you not to pussyfoot about but to be clear of our expectations was sound I think. So, thank you for that.

Fennel Sat 29-Dec-18 18:33:28

Well done Luckygirl for finding a middle way through this. TG I haven't had to face such a situation (yet), though eldest daughter had similar with relatives of ex's second wife.
I agree No Contact is never a solution.

Nandalot Sat 29-Dec-18 16:34:21

You appear to have acted very sensibly and very considerately considering what you have put up with. I hope if she does visit it goes off well.

Marthjolly1 Sat 29-Dec-18 16:22:19

Luckygirl what an difficult position you are in. No wonder you need to let it all out on here, and that is what we are here for. You are such a warm hearted person thinking for everyone. Unlike your SIL. She is a totally selfish thoughtless woman. I have one very similar in my family so I understand how she could never see the situation from your point of view. Would it be possible for your DD to be at home when SIL visits. Perhaps you could arrange to 'have an appointment' at that time. If not definitely make your self scarce, in the garden, need to write a letter etc. I hope her visit is as short as possible.

Luckygirl Sat 29-Dec-18 15:55:48

Thank you for all your comments and suggestions. OH and I discussed the situation and he recognises that is hard for me to make someone welcome when they have been so very unpleasant to me; he said he would feel the same if he had been on the receiving end of this. He also said that he is "neutral" about seeing her, and pretty well does not mind either way.

So - we jointly sent her a message to say that (1) My DD is very busy and under stress at present so it would not be wise to contact her to try and stay there; (2) Suggesting B&Bs; (3) making it absolutely clear that we are a dog free home and (4) explaining why it is hard for us to have anyone staying here because of OH's care needs and the need to preserve his dignity.

There was also chit-chat stuff about Christmas.

DD has been in touch to say she was dreading the call and trying to find a way not to do it, so she is happy with what we have done.

So......we wait and see. I suspect I will get it in the neck, judging by previous experience! It is all a bit of a shame. I am not prepared to play the No Contact game as they are siblings and, even though OH is indifferent to seeing her, we cannot ignore the fact that they are related. We can only do our best.

How different to my own siblings who call in when they can but recognise what is appropriate and what is not, and tailor their visits to the situation.

Oldwoman70 Fri 28-Dec-18 19:10:10

I would send her an email saying she is very welcome to visit making it clear that unfortunately neither you or your daughter can have her to stay and asking if she would like the contact details of local B&Bs or hotels. Don't give reasons why she cannot stay with either of you just state it as a fact

allsortsofbags Fri 28-Dec-18 18:54:26

I am sorry if I have offended anyone - especially Lucky I am very glad he has been a caring partner in the past and I am sad that he can no longer care the way he used to.

However, he has still agreed to see his sister - no problem with that - but Lucky has enough on and any visit needs to be on her terms. She's the one who'll be taking the strain.

I accept that he is very unwell by the sounds of it but if he can agree to see his sister he can agree that it's on Lucky's terms and may be no one thought to put it to him in terms of backing her choice as an act of caring and support.

As he was caring when able can he do this act of caring now. I hope so because his sister isn't about visiting if what's written is close to correct and I'm guessing is a mild version of what the family have been put through.

Good Luck anyway.

Buffybee Fri 28-Dec-18 18:03:33

I've just got a very uneasy feeling about this woman Luckygirl, after what you have told us about taking money off your Fil for extensions on her home and then pretty much, abandoning him by sticking him on a plane, leaving you to pick up the pieces. You also mentioned that she greedily emptied your Fil's house of things that she wanted before you got there and left you to dispose of the remainder.
Is there any way that you can think of that she would feel entitled to your Oh's money or property?
Does she think that she could be his next of kin?
You refer to him as Oh or partner, not Dh.
I don't mean to pry but if you are his partner, you will both need to make Wills to each other. In fact, best to do it even if you are his Dw.
I hope my uneasiness is unfounded but you can't be too careful.

Tartlet Fri 28-Dec-18 17:55:04

I would nothing that could be seen as trying to prevent your sil seeing her brother but I don’t think I’d do more than the absolute minimum to facilitate it. I don’t see a problem in making it clear that you don’t allow dogs in your home and I don’t think it unreasonable for your daughter to decline any request to put her up with a ‘there’s a good b&b just around the corner’ kind of response. From what you’ve said I think any unreasonableness is on the part of your sil. And I’d certainly do a disappearing act during her visit to your home.

I think its rather arrogant and inconsiderate to assume that one is welcome to stay in someone else’s home without an unprompted invitation.

sodapop Fri 28-Dec-18 17:51:40

allsortsofbags I'm not sure what your post was trying to convey but it was not helpful.

Luckygirl I can see how you are affected by this woman and I don't blame you one bit. However in the interests of family harmony let her visit but keep out of her way if you can, the visits are infrequent so grit your teeth. Have a word with your daughter so she does not feel obliged to offer hospitality. Good luck.

Morgana Fri 28-Dec-18 17:38:31

Oh dear, families!! I would suggest minimal contact, do not have her to stay, or her dog. Either tea and cake one afternoon, or tea and cake in a nearby cafe (not sure if your DH can get out). Try to ensure that DD does not get browbeaten into having her either. You owe her nothing, time to put yourself first. Don't let her make you feel guilty. You can do it!

Luckygirl Fri 28-Dec-18 17:36:29

DD is a she!

Luckygirl Fri 28-Dec-18 17:35:54

It's me that would be traumatized by the dog!!! - and OH; he does not like them either. It is sound advice to remind her that the dog is not welcome - it will save a more difficult atmosphere when she arrives. But it will wind her up good and proper I am afraid.

mumofmadboys - I will be charitable, I have every time. But it is an emotional stress that is a step too far for me. The atmosphere is highly charged and I really do not need that. We just about cope as it is.

The concern about DD is that she is he epitome of kindness and finds it virtually impossible to say no to anyone. I hate to see her manipulated, but she is an adult and I have warned her what might be coming her way.

kittylester Fri 28-Dec-18 17:29:47

Lots of good advice here Lucky. In our family our daughters take it in turns to 'take one for the team' so it is up to your daughter to decide if she wants to do 'the right thing.

DH has a brother with a dog (!!!!) which we will not have in the house so we have recommended nearby kennels for it if they want to stay. We cite the fact that our cats would be traumatised!

FarNorth Fri 28-Dec-18 17:19:14

You have warned DD. Maybe you could remind her now that the visit is getting close, then leave her to make her own decision about how to respond if Aunt asks to stay.
You needn't worry about it any further.

Would it help to remind SiL beforehand that the dog is not welcome?

seacliff Fri 28-Dec-18 17:15:30

How frustrating for you, to have to put up with "her", for the sake of your husband, she sounds a piece of work!! The good thing is, your husband likes to see his sister, and you are big enough to let that happen, in spite of your own feelings, because you love him.

I too would make myself scarce when she's around, just to protect yourself from being too upset by her. Try not to talk to her any more than you have to. Your DD may choose to put her up, as she too is doing the best for her Dad. Very hard for you, I hope venting on here may help a little. A punch bag might help flowers

grannyactivist Fri 28-Dec-18 17:00:28

LuckyI quite understand the weight of personal relationships compared to professional ones - the emotional pull is very different when a) it's personal and b) she's coming into your home, which should be a 'safe space' for you.

I so admire your determination to do the very best you can for your husband and keep his stress to a minimum. Do what you need to do with the sister in law and come on here and rant away. flowers

mumofmadboys Fri 28-Dec-18 16:54:13

I would let your DD decide if her aunt stays with her. Why not invite your SIL for a simple meal and then you can leave your OH and his sister to catch up while you clear up. Be as charitable as possible. It is only a day and it will soon be over. Good luck. Let us know how it goes.

Luckygirl Fri 28-Dec-18 16:40:10

I hear what is being said - but the situation is that he has been a caring partner in the past; but he is not able to do that now as he is so unwell. I accept that. It is not his fault.

kittylester Fri 28-Dec-18 16:35:32

Totally, totally inappropriate allsortsofbags.

janeainsworth Fri 28-Dec-18 16:30:50

However, he is NOT Choosing to Take Care of YOU. And after ALL that you have done YOU DESERVE to BE CARED FOR Too

I think you could have spared Lucky that, allsortsofbags.

dragonfly46 Fri 28-Dec-18 16:22:54

So sorry to hear this Lucky. I am not thick skinned either and wonder how these people get away with it.
I would just make myself scarce if possible - I would be seething underneath.

allsortsofbags Fri 28-Dec-18 16:19:28

From your post it's clear that you are a strong, capable person who is used to digging deep and getting on with what's got to be done.

That said how you go forward with SiL's visit will be up to you but ...

Do you still have the nasty email she sent you?

Because if you do I'd give serious thought to showing it to your OH.

I read what you'd said about he hasn't asked to see it and he avoids the difficult things in life. Also that you want to keep him safe.

However, let me put this in the mix.

You have looked after him for all these years, his health, his well being, his sate of mind and probably all the practical stuff of life and running a family. And More I'm guessing.

My Question to you is HOW Has HE Looked After YOU.

Yes that's right. How has he looked after you.

Be very clear about this question and your answer.

How has he made sure that you had as Little to Worry about, Get Stressed about and get Sick about???

I know he's not well but even so he has capabilities that he can use to Support You - to Share the Decisions needed in life ?

Don't tell yourself he's no good at making decisions.

He has agreed to see his sister. It's a Choice - It's a Decision.

And you OH, as ill as he is and wanting to avoid difficulties, agreed to see his sister. He did that. He made a choice, he made that decision.

However, he is NOT Choosing to Take Care of YOU. And after ALL that you have done YOU DESERVE to BE CARED FOR Too.

Sorry about the shouty but some times we need to be shown what others can see and we miss because we are all out getting through the day.

Show you OH the email, tell him it's time someone gave some consideration to YOU.

It's time someone Took Care of YOUR Well Being.

You Do Not Need this Stress on top of daily life and it's difficulties.

If all your SIL wanted was to see her brother she would make arrangements to make her visit as stress free on you and your OH as possible.

Is she doing that??? From what you have written she is interested in causing disruption and damage to anyone.

Be very clear if your situation is as you have said (I'm sure you have been economical in the telling of your situation) she has more than visiting as her agenda.

You already know she has a disruptive, damaging agenda and you don't want that in your life. Who would.

Keep You Self Safe, in mind, in body in soul. Have as much peace as you can in your life and only let you SIL anywhere near your home, your life on YOUR TERMS.

You and what you want are worth making a fuss about. You may not be comfortable with the fuss but you are being destroyed by trying to keep the peace with people who don't want peace.

Good Luck and may you find the support and care you so richly deserve.

janeainsworth Fri 28-Dec-18 16:15:59

Luckygirl It’s very different dealing with difficult people in a professional capacity from dealing with them if they’re family.
At a professional level, you can turn off the emotional response button.
Almost impossible with family, but that’s what you must try to do.

I think it’s very unreasonable of her to expect your DD to accommodate her, given your DD’s busy life as well as the dog problem (with which I sympathise). Presumably there is no problem with SiL finding a B&B or a Premier Inn, like everyone else does.
So support your DD in saying no, and don’t feel obliged to offer more than minimal hospitality (I’d suggest tea and biscuits) yourself.
Hope that helps. flowers