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Relationship ended. Step daughter hates me

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Bird40 Thu 29-Sept-22 14:05:44

I'm desperately in love with my partner (ex as of yesterday ?)
Together almost 3 years. both have kids. live in separate houses but with planning application in at his .

I have never felt so in love (I'm in my 40's) or so comfortable or happy with anyone.

His daughter has been difficult for day one
As expected at 13/14. I could list some awful situations but picking out 3 off top of my head she poisoned something that belonged to me with bleach, breaks things I've brought over for her (weirdly any drink we have when out always falls over or the glass breaks, and she told my daughter who was 8, that she had a life threatening illness that we had been told not to discuss ?)
She lies, and one of the worst was her accusing me of standing over her intimidating her. I asked her for more detail as wanted to clarify when this was and then of course would apologise...but there wasn't really a time in the past months that we had been in the same room. I was baffled.
This specifically worried me as I'm in a profession where an accusation like this could cause career issues. She would know this.
After a particularly difficult few hours with her, I quietly stopped going over to my partners house. It was easier without the conflift and also it is her home.

Her dad is scared of her. There is also a slightly uncofmy dynamic in that she tries to act like a mini wife . I actually understand this as her mum is not around
.it's a very difficult situation for her.
At 16 she is not a young lady and incredibly mixed up.
I found her some counseling but she had a few and convinced them she was fine and didn't need support.

Locally, friends mum's keep their children away from her. I actually (genuinely )feel sorry for her) she is very troubled and it doesn't appear that anyone can help her

She is difficult to like and I am very aware that this must be utterly miserable for her.
She can also, be incredibly charming ...tall, elegant and interesting but she works a room finding someone vulnerable, either drunk or naive and will try to separate them from the group. It's difficult to explain but I've seen it happen pretty much everytime I am with her. To start with I thought maybe she was shy and felt more comfortable with one person but it invariably ends with drama, big rows, other parents sending her home etc etc.

Gradually over the last few months I realised that my time with my ex was being squeezed away. She always, without fail (I think because of attachment issues) phones her dad within 45 mins of us being together. A child absolutely should have free access to a parent but when it was happening when we were in bed together..I had to gently say it was making feel uncomfortable.
He has tried to bring in some boundaries and we then used to only see eachother when kids weren't around.

I also, importantly never asked him to stay over when she was home. I have tried to minimise any reason for her to be threatened by me or the kdis presence.
She must have picked up on this and now and for last 12 months won't let her dad know where she is staying (she has family dotted around locally but notably grandparents and her mum) so come 7.30 on a Friday night I still won't know if I'm seeing my partner. I know I Brought that one myself but it's got to the point I feel like I'm having an affair. I can't, because of limits I've put in place to prevent coming into contact with her, Actually maintain a normal relationship with my partner.

Thursday we had a row. It was my fault. I know that. However I thought I'd leave it quiet a bit as tbh fed up talking issues over. There is always something...usually related to his daughter. I left it just messaging a morning and a bit in the day and a good night. Nothing like the contact we usually have. I know bit childish of me but I'm quite stressed with my work, I'm a single mum myself with no family within 100miles... actually I'd like a partner that I can meet for a cuppa without his 16year pod daughter throwing a tantrum.

I have done an awful thing and told him I can't stand her or her behavior.
I also told him if anyone had said that about one of my kids, that I'd be showing them the door. I would!!
It's not really her fault. The parenting is.
I blame myself for not having more confidence, day one, to say her behaviour wasn't ok. Also maybe I shld have kept entirely out of it...thing is very difficult as he constantly spills into the snatched hours we have togther.

I can't envisage a life where it is dominated by his daughter. I have such a lovely life with my two children. How can I bring chaos to my children's life which is what happens whenever she is there.

Last night my partner, now ex said he was crying in bed and had lost the love of his life. I feel the same but don't know how to remedy it. I think for both sets of children's sake it's better we are apart but I am heartbroken
Thoughts appreciated?

LinFreed Thu 10-Nov-22 15:29:00

bird40 Your relationship sounds a bit co dependent and fraught. Do you have interests, hobbies, friends that you enjoy?

I've recently detached from a long term relationship a year after being widowed. He also has a dependent wayward teenage son living with him ( mum out of the picture in France) and all his attention has been on getting his son through school and keeping him on track.

Breakups are heartbreaking at first and bring up all sorts of past childhood and previous relationship issues .

You need to get to a place, either through therapy or giving eachother space, where you don't feel dependent on him to make you feel better. You and he are not in alignment with your present family situations.

Focus on your young children and making yourself happy without relying on him and thinking he and his daughter will change. If you're meant to be together, it will happen.

You need time to process this and get to a stronger place.

Wyllow3 Wed 02-Nov-22 13:06:12

Bird40 it is hard, as they can turn the charm back on just when its lonely. All the best. If you decide to stick with low/no contact seeks out some nice women friends..

...and keep an eye open (but wide open) for someone new...but know you are needy and likely to be attracted by that totally being adored all too soon bit (and the role as sorter -outer of their problems!!!)

Davida1968 Wed 02-Nov-22 12:55:49

Bird40, there's a lot of good advice here from GNs so I'll only be brief. Frankly, I'd say goodbye & move on completely from this relationship. Focus on your own family and friends. In my experience, life often has a way of working out better, once something difficult has been dealt with. Good luck!

Bird40 Wed 02-Nov-22 11:20:30

Wyllow3... I've taken on board the neediness..I think you're right. I've been so desperate for this to work. The thing is I have a lot of responsibility with my own children and elderly parents. I think he was my escape a little
.and it's turned out to be actually very draining. I'm spending a lot more time on my own. probably not a bad thing x

Bird40 Wed 02-Nov-22 11:18:19

nexus...I'm so glad a good outcome for you ❤️ that's very encouraging...

Wyllow3 Wed 26-Oct-22 12:15:22

nexus, I'm so glad it was a good outcome for you, but a key factor is that your man stood up with you together to cope.

The other factor is that the teenage girl could and did in the end accept the situation and the boundaries necessary, and this is not going to happen with Bird, the girl is seriously damaged and acting out at a level that is set on a destructive course she won't be able to pull back on. She has seized power and unless her Dad stands up to her it won't stop.

nexus from what you say, your partner didn't try to start to manipulate you - putting you down with your looks and threatening that you are responsible for his depression. I've known threats of suicide in this situation to try and keep partner in line.

That amazing loved up the man of my life and indeed life itself is very alluring and compelling. And sometimes it lasts, and sometimes it turns out to be neediness, on both or either sides, and the costs are overwhelmingly too great.

nexus63 Wed 26-Oct-22 11:59:49

some of what said rang true for me and what i went through with my partner, i was widowed at 39 and wanted to find someone that could be a friend/companion and i did, a lovely man who had 3 children, the youngest being 16, she resented me from the start, he was widowed and so lonely and we fell in love, we never wanted to get married, we spent days and nights together at each others houses but at his some of the rows we had with her was awful, screaming and shouting, doors banging but we kept going, i stopped visiting his house and we spent every weekend at mine, she finally realised i was not going anywhere, if you love this man then stick with it and if he loves you then he has to stand up for himself and say enough is enough, she is 16, if she does not want to stay around then she can leave, he deserves to be happy and she has no right to stop that, i told my partners daughter that i did not want to be her mum. but i could be a friend if she wanted that. we stayed together for 18 years, he was happy and although she still never liked me she got on with her life and when he died, i said my goodbyes and let them be with him at the end and arrange everything, he should try telling his daughter that he is happy and does not want to spend his life alone and that if she does not like it then it is time for her to either grow up or leave. please don't give up on your ex, if you truly love each other then you will find a way.

Wyllow3 Wed 26-Oct-22 11:37:58

You have gone and got caught up with a family with serious MH issues sweetheart.

They ARE NOT your responsibility. They've even manipulated you into being guilty and responsible for possibly "damaging" your lover by not being attentive enough, being there for him.

He has begun to rubbish your looks.

Someone above suggested you look into Covert Narcism, tho it sounds pretty active in the teenager.

I would advise asap you chat to an experienced counsellor as it seems you are vulnerable because of your own nature to this kind of "getting pulled in".

Wanting to rescue him, rescue his daughter, and while you were doing that, your lover was all over you. Now you are stepping back somewhat he's pulling out the guilt stops. With a nasty bit of personal undermining as to your looks.

It IS a lonely road, god knows I know (although I had no children in the mix, too old), there was/is an ill 88 yr old his mum, that is why I suggest you seek support now.

Bests xx

Bird40 Wed 26-Oct-22 11:16:58

You're all being so supportive...it's keeping me going.
As for the relationship....we see eachother a little. I've really stepped back & just offer a little of my time when it suits me.
I'm very sad about it...it's been like driving a soft top with a broken roof...in sunshine, through beautiful wooded areas surrounded by waterfalls and wildlife only to run out of petrol as it starts to rain.
Just wretched but occasionally fun and hopeful.
He is cooking me dinner later but it feels rather empty I must admit.
Thank you all.....I know it's falling apart x

NannyPT Tue 25-Oct-22 05:18:04

You are worth so much more than this. I cannot see happiness for you with this man. One day I hope you will be able to look back and see it was a bad decision to let this relationship go on for so long. I hope you can be resilient and move on with your life, you need to stay out of the situation and keep away from him and his daughter even though you are heartbroken. In time you will get over him but it will obviously be very hard to start with.
I wish you all the very best.

Soozikinzi Tue 25-Oct-22 00:22:55

Exciting that was !

Soozikinzi Tue 25-Oct-22 00:22:29

I think you should bide your time . Carry on a kind of illicit affair which could be quite exciim sure . Then when she's left home he's all.yours ! This too will pass . Same as any other time and you will be together when she's an Adult.........sorted .

Pythagorus Mon 24-Oct-22 23:51:13

Oh dear! This sounds a total nightmare!
Here’s the thing. In any relationship where there are problems and you are unhappy you have 3 choices.
1. Accept the status quo
2. Negotiate change
3. Leave

Sounds like you can’t accept the status quo. You can’t change the situation.
So I guess you know what is left.

But you don’t want to do it. Hope dies last.

Your life, your choices. It’s hard sometimes x

Macadia Thu 20-Oct-22 21:28:45

Put all of your love and energy into your children. That is your duty and you will be amazing. They need you back.

Deedaa Thu 20-Oct-22 21:22:34

I think one problem is that you have been living seperately with your own children. She probably thinks that if she continues causing problems you will split up and you will disappear. If your partner had set out ground rules (and stuck to them) he might have been able to come up with a workable plan for you to live as a family. She obviously has problems but while you and her father have a relationship where you just "visit" each other she holds all the cards.

Bird40 Thu 20-Oct-22 21:08:14

pascal30

I'm sorry to say this but he sounds quite a weak man who doesn't actually know how to set boundaries.. He was probably drawn to you because you do.. Have you thought of family therapy. If his daughter has personality disorder, you have real trouble. But a MH family therapist could probably at least, help you with the dynamics of this situation. It's particularly difficult for you as you sound so emotionally intelligent.. Best wishes

I feel awful because he has had a particularly bad year with no work and is very depressed. I feel like the only good thing around him (that's what he says..I'm not trying to big myself up!)
If I'm not around I'm worried he will sink lower into depression.
It's not healthy I know it. I really appreciate everyone's time and thoughts.
Without it (honestly) I'm on my own with it as family and friends would think badly of him if they knew

Bird40 Thu 20-Oct-22 21:05:49

Fleur20

Sweetheart... if you were more attractive or more engaging it would not make him a better parent...
Not sure why you are backtracking on your very brave decision to draw a line and move on. And your immediate assumption that he is not well because he has put no effort into his personal hygeine before meeting you..???.. what is that about?

The short time you have been apart... has he stepped up with his parenting?... has he taken on board anything you discussed?
Remember why you first posted.... protect yourself and your kids....

Thank you. I know you're right.
I know I sound like an immature young girl, not a woman in her 40's, but I've never felt like this about someone before.
I still feel absolutely bereft. X

pascal30 Wed 19-Oct-22 14:26:51

I'm sorry to say this but he sounds quite a weak man who doesn't actually know how to set boundaries.. He was probably drawn to you because you do.. Have you thought of family therapy. If his daughter has personality disorder, you have real trouble. But a MH family therapist could probably at least, help you with the dynamics of this situation. It's particularly difficult for you as you sound so emotionally intelligent.. Best wishes

Fleur20 Sun 09-Oct-22 16:46:46

Sweetheart... if you were more attractive or more engaging it would not make him a better parent...
Not sure why you are backtracking on your very brave decision to draw a line and move on. And your immediate assumption that he is not well because he has put no effort into his personal hygeine before meeting you..???.. what is that about?

The short time you have been apart... has he stepped up with his parenting?... has he taken on board anything you discussed?
Remember why you first posted.... protect yourself and your kids....

Bird40 Sun 09-Oct-22 16:14:11

You've all been so lovely.
I feel I've failed actually.
I feel like maybe if I was more attractive or more engaging etc that he would have felt more able to put down some boundaries. I do not allow my children to be rude to him. I sat them down and said that they were always my number one..but that I had the right to have a partner and that as long as we were respectful to eqchtoher and to my partner that this was all I expected.
We are spending a little bit of time together but I'm wondering if he isn't well. He won't do his teeth and I can't seem to find out why. He made a comment about my eye brows today (that I had microbladed yesterday.. I know it's not everyone's thing but I have half of one missing and it makes me feel more confident to have very natural ones drawn in ? he said I looked like I had two caterpillars on my face and I opened my mouth to say 'go brush your teeth, have a shave, put on clean clothes before you even dare comment about me please" but didn't want to cause upset so just explained again that it was just scabbing process that would sort itself out over a week or so and that it's suxh a tiny amount of tattoo done that it will look totally natural.
I'm beginning to worry that actually he isn't as nice as he was appearing.
Despite this, I'm still in love with him.
No plans to see him until next weekend and that's only a walk I think.
Thanks for all taking the time to reply to me xx

Knittingnovice Fri 07-Oct-22 17:11:40

How are you?

LRavenscroft Sat 01-Oct-22 09:31:24

I hope you don't mind me saying but I would explore the concept of 'narcissism'. Is she a narcissist? If so, you are well out of it because your children will be small/young with you for a given amount of time i.e. till they go to uni or whatever and they will be precious years for you. Once they leave home the great world will say to you 'what next?'. Please fill your life with happiness because for every one negative, there may be many positives. You must ask yourself 'Is is worth it?' Wishing you the very best of luck.

Wyllow3 Fri 30-Sept-22 20:06:32

I'm not sure about "forever" but my impression is HE needs to find ways of being able to have a life of his own including women and maybe (can't be sure) only him being able to set boundaries on and for his daughter.

For her sake as much as anyone else's.

Without his lover (ie you) trying to help out and make things better? Being the therapist/healer/ sorter-outer/fixer?

sodapop Fri 30-Sept-22 19:48:35

I agree with Daisymae it's very sad but this relationship will always be scuppered by the daughter. Move on from this and think of your own family.

Daisymae Fri 30-Sept-22 19:03:20

I personally would be inclined to move on. She will always be his daughter and is not going anywhere. It would be good to find someone on your wavelength. You do have your own children to consider too.