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Notagranyet24 Thu 19-Dec-24 22:42:33

I've been reading another thread about retired husbands who manage and I'm feeling very sad and afraid at how much worse my marriage is becoming since retirement.
He was very miserable at first until I got him into the U3A and now he's on the committee, does the newsletter, runs a book group, runs a martial arts group of a kind, goes to music appreciation, goes to a badminton group, attends a meditation group, has just volunteered for several hours a week at a local museum, likes to go cycling, does a lot of jobs around the house, endlessly goes shopping without consulting me and would be happy to do all the cooking if I let him.

It sounds ridiculous doesn't it and he STILL wants to manage me. I was doing some vacuuming recently and he told me 'how much better it was' using a brush attachment with demonstration! He often appears when I'm doing something and starts 'helping' which might mean picking up an instruction leaflet and instructing me or it might be suggesting a different way of doing what I'm doing.
I was driving us somewhere recently (he usually does all the driving) and he launched into totally unnecessary directions which was annoying because I knew where I was going.
I could go on and on. If I complain about anything, he denies and gets defensive. The array of activities I've described he minimises as nothing or 'only' once a month.
He does housework, does all his own washing, will hang mine up if he sees it wet, he gardens, he's also writing a book and teaching himself the piano. He is a published author. He reads all the time and is fixated with X or it's alternative app, he's very politically knowledgeable but again, he would deny this.
Since we retired in 2016/17, I've got more and more upset. He does come from a successful family, Oxford types but I can now see how the parental generation and wider family are either successful or feel like failures or are, frankly, balmy!
I'm feeling upset writing this. I feel that I can't go on, that I am of no importance or have a role in life beyond having produced three children.
We were having a few days away and, not for the first time, a row developed from a series of disagreements from the past. I had a difficult childhood and tend to be agreeable and am having to learn much too late in life how to say no and how to know what I want in the first place. I am sure that my confidence has been damaged as well as my mental and physical health.
I have left several times for short periods but don't have that many close friends or relatives. He's always full of apologies and how he doesn't mean things he's said or done and I've misunderstood him and he refuses to discuss separation or agrees and then avoids.
I'm sorry this is so long, I feel like an idiot, a stupid woman, what I've described sounds hard to live with, doesn't it??

AuntieE Wed 25-Dec-24 14:23:58

The next time he comes and tells you that you should vacuum, cook, or iron differently, just hand him the necessary implement and tell him to get on with it.

Then put on your shoes and coat and go for a nice walk, or to the public library for an hour or so.

When you come home, look scornfully at the floor, ironing, etc. and say "I thought you said you knew how it should be done? You have made a right pig's ear of it, haven't you?"

If he asks what the b.. h.. you mean? Smile and say,"What is sauce for the goose, is sauce for the gander, dear!"

JaneJudge Wed 25-Dec-24 10:26:23

you life isn't a gigantic failure! I think lots of women/wives/mothers/sisters are taken for granted. You are not alone in this dilema. How many women have to take the full emotional load from their families and what kind of affect does that have on us? I think women often taken on invisible roles in their family relationships and it is onlt natural we get fed up of it

JaneJudge Wed 25-Dec-24 10:23:49

mine is a bit like this, I give him short shrift. We both work though but since the pandemic he's at home working more than he is in work and he he is obviously the expert of everything especially the comings and goings of our neighbours. he needs a hobby

Notagranyet24 Wed 25-Dec-24 09:50:02

Petra and Madgran thank you, yes, I'm feeling overwhelmed and sensitive and the post that upset me felt like being poked with a red hot poker. I'm doing my best, I think I married the wrong man, my life feels like a gigantic failure right at the moment. I see that I can't delete this thread, I wish I could, thanks to everyone, please can we leave it now.

Madgran77 Tue 24-Dec-24 12:00:53

notagranyet I don't think those comments were meant as a character assassination. There was some surmising based on what you originally said in your OP which it seems was incorrect but so what! Your comment re Thank goodness I'm not a single parent from a council estate somewhere through no fault of my own I think highlights how very sensitive you are feeling at the moment which is so hard for you and also makes hearing others views/suggestions more difficult maybe?

For me I think the key question for you here is do you still love and care about him? If you do then it is worth staying and looking to find a way through. If you dont then look to plan an alternative future for yourself. I do think that some counselling or even Relate ( you can go on your own) to talk about things to someone un-involved might help you too. 💐

petra Mon 23-Dec-24 15:30:26

Notagranyet
Don’t be upset by easybees comments.
It’s very difficult for people to understand these men/women unless they have experienced it or witnessed it.

pascal30 Mon 23-Dec-24 15:25:33

eazybee

Thankyou for your comment, Pascal.
I don't consider my contribution to be character assassination, but my assessment of the situation between the OP and her husband based on the information she provided, which I read several times before commenting.

quite, Eazybee

eazybee Mon 23-Dec-24 15:03:51

Thankyou for your comment, Pascal.
I don't consider my contribution to be character assassination, but my assessment of the situation between the OP and her husband based on the information she provided, which I read several times before commenting.

pascal30 Mon 23-Dec-24 10:52:51

Notagranyet24

eazybee thank you for the character assassination.
As it happens, I have worked since I was 15 as a Saturday girl, leaving school after A levels at 18 to enter publishing. I worked my way up as you did then becoming Production Manager before my oldest daughter arrived.
After catching out a lazy child minder who thought it was OK to prop young babies up with a bottle, I negotiated a job share and from then until the younger two were over 14, I worked part time at a variety of jobs while studying for and obtaining a First Class degree and MSc with distinction.
I paid my taxes and NI and went on studying while working and ensuring my three children had a damn good childhood. I am now rewarded by the solid citizens they have become, two out of three with PhDs doing worthwhile jobs.
I have volunteered with the homeless, as an adult literacy tutor, at rescue centres. I don’t want to be on the U3A committee but I am on my local WI committee, I belong to various groups.
I always thought marriage was a partnership based on the love between my parents before my father died. My mother was an excellent dressmaker and seamstress who kept a debt free household and insisted on working at school.
What a lot of misjudgments one can make. Thank goodness I'm not a single parent from a council estate somewhere through no fault of my own.

Well I can understand Easybee's response to your original post because what you are now presenting is so different.. It certainly wasn't a character assassination..

Jeanathome Mon 23-Dec-24 08:43:52

Its a shame that women can't support each other in a thoughtful and kind way.

I don't think retirement is easy at all.

Notagranyet24 Sun 22-Dec-24 20:46:14

eazybee thank you for the character assassination.
As it happens, I have worked since I was 15 as a Saturday girl, leaving school after A levels at 18 to enter publishing. I worked my way up as you did then becoming Production Manager before my oldest daughter arrived.
After catching out a lazy child minder who thought it was OK to prop young babies up with a bottle, I negotiated a job share and from then until the younger two were over 14, I worked part time at a variety of jobs while studying for and obtaining a First Class degree and MSc with distinction.
I paid my taxes and NI and went on studying while working and ensuring my three children had a damn good childhood. I am now rewarded by the solid citizens they have become, two out of three with PhDs doing worthwhile jobs.
I have volunteered with the homeless, as an adult literacy tutor, at rescue centres. I don’t want to be on the U3A committee but I am on my local WI committee, I belong to various groups.
I always thought marriage was a partnership based on the love between my parents before my father died. My mother was an excellent dressmaker and seamstress who kept a debt free household and insisted on working at school.
What a lot of misjudgments one can make. Thank goodness I'm not a single parent from a council estate somewhere through no fault of my own.

Soozikinzi Sat 21-Dec-24 11:50:13

It does seem harsh to separate after so long . Just organise activities for yourself each day but do it carefully around his schedule so youre in for relaxation time when he is out ! Don't discuss your own arrangements with him . Just tell him as you go out on the day . If that isnt acceptable then you will have to separate.

eazybee Sat 21-Dec-24 11:45:25

Notagranyet I think you should see a doctor who may advise counselling for you. You seem extremely unhappy, and are channelling all your discontent on your husband.
He sounds like a man who retired too soon, has an extremely active brain and has struggled to fill his life with physical, community and cerebral activities. He may be hyperactive and somewhat overpowering.
But he does do a fair share of housework, washing, gardening and odd jobs; even though he advises you on hoovering and gives unnecessary directions, he is not criticising you.
One or two odd things.
Would you ask him before you went shopping?
Why do you not let him cook the meal when he asks at 6.30pm what is for supper?
is it wrong to find out about your daughters' work so he can engage with them?
When you said you had introduced him to u3A I thought you were an active member. Why are you not on the committee?
It sounds as though you spent many years at home alone, and now resent your husband's presence since retirement, yet by the scope of his activities he must spend many hours elsewhere engaged in them. You in contrast seem to indulge in solitary pursuits. reading, meditation etc.
Why not find some activities for yourself, OU for example , or Citizens; Advice, or voluntary work..which would raise your self esteem and get you out of the house.
The fact you have attempted to leave him and have returned shows you are not ready for such a big step, and at present you will only exchange one set of problems for another. You need to build a more outgoing independent life for yourself before you leave.

Smudgie Sat 21-Dec-24 10:12:37

You are in a very difficult situation but one that needs calm consideration. You sound as if you have a financially secure marriage and a good standard of living. Is he competent at the household tasks, gardening, housework, cooking etc? If so you need to think outside of the box and turn it to your advantage. I would endeavour to widen my own social life, even if it meant going out to the cinema in the afternoon on my own, leaving him to do the meal and having it ready for when you return. Give lots of praise, leave him to his exhausting micromanaged life and make sure you find a fulfilling one of your own. That way you will hopefully hardly see one another but without having huge rows.

Luckygirl3 Sat 21-Dec-24 08:55:39

It is disturbing that he has an old friend who hates him. A strong term and indicates that you are not alone in finding him difficult.
Rabbitgran ... you really need to leave. This is no life for you to be living.

Liz46 Sat 21-Dec-24 08:16:34

He sounds like my neighbour who belongs to many clubs but is not very popular as he takes over and interferes.

David49 Sat 21-Dec-24 08:00:08

Notagrannyyet.

Reading your last 2 responses it seems your husband is progressing either to Alzheimer’s or Dementure, he hasnt admitted it to himself yet, forgetfulness and focusing on “helping” you, is also typical.
Wanting to eat earlier. Most older people eat earlier in the evening, it is better for the digestion, it’s all part of the progression most of us go through.

I don’t advise what you should do but you do need to recognize what I think is happening.

Rabbitgran Sat 21-Dec-24 03:53:05

I do feel for you as I have been married to a managing/controlling man for 30 years and it's much worse in retirement. I also find it exhausting and very detrimental to my mental health and now physical health. In my husband's case, he is quite narcissistic. Perhaps not completely personality disordered (NPD) but a long way along the narcissistic spectrum. He's grandiose, lacks empathy, is cunning and gaslights me constantly and I am now a reactive mess. My life won't improve unless I find the strength and energy to leave. I find it best to have as little to do with him as possible and do my own thing. It's quite hard to live without emotional support, though. I'm wondering a bit whether your husband has some of these tendencies. There are lots of books and YouTube videos on NPD. I do hope that you have emotional support from other people in your life and that things improve for you. Best Wishes.

jeanie99 Fri 20-Dec-24 23:50:51

Just get on with your own life, that's what I do.
My hubby try's to tell me how to cook (I've been cooking well before I was a teenager, or he'll mention something about gardening (which he knows nothing about). I give him the look or tell him a few home truths.
Have to say for the first 25 yrs or so he was a good husband, it all went down hill after that.
We rub along, the great thing is if I hadn't married him I wouldn't have my wonderful son (my son is so good to me) and daughter( she says dad is an old man) and my grandchildren who are an absolute delight.

Allsorts Fri 20-Dec-24 19:56:30

Rejoice he's busy and out of the house a lot with his various activities, can you arrange a few things to go out and do half an hour before he's back so prolonging your me time.Have you thought of a holiday break of 4/5 days in an organised group, doing things you want to do. If he wants to take over the household chores and cooking I would let him, put my coat on and go off shopping and for a coffee, I think the penny might drop eventually.

SparklyGrandma Fri 20-Dec-24 16:03:47

If he’s good at politics OP, encourage him to stand for the local council as a councillor.
If he succeeded he would be out every evening until well past 10pm.
Peace and quiet every weekday evening for you.

Luckygirl3 Fri 20-Dec-24 14:50:11

Hop off with your phone and book your break online - present it as a fait accompli!

Caleo Fri 20-Dec-24 13:36:43

Maybe to ask for a sitting- down discussion of vacuuming and such like non urgent chores. Do you enjoy a discussion with a drink or a cup of coffee? He sounds a most interesting man to talk to! If he has Alzheimers using his brain a sit -down discussion will help him. Does he get irritable and resentful if he fails to understand what you say? Does he engage with your opinions and questions?

Could you encourage him to write a treatise on house cleaning? Or a useful book for beginners explaining some political or economic matter such as "Capitalism for Dummies" , "History of Socialism", " Do We Need a Monarchy?" " Control of Crime" ,and such like.

But when you are driving is a bad time to interfere with the driver and so divert her attention. I hope you have told him so.

I'd be more concerned about his clingy ways. Has he always been dependent on someone else's psychological support?Perhaps some work colleague?

Naturally you need privacy. You need to maintain your own sanity . I endorse others who recommend some time simply relaxing , and away from his company.

Cabbie21 Fri 20-Dec-24 13:32:54

It sounds like he “ means well”. If you can get him to counselling and he can keep quiet long enough to listen, he might be surprised to hear the effect of his behaviour.

Do you have your own money or does he control that too? Your own email, your own phone? Then organise a holiday or a course for yourself, without him muscling in on it.
Leave him a list of instructions ( does he know which day the bin goes out?) Let him fix his own meals, don’t pre-cook or shop ahead for him. He might begin to realise just how much you do without his “supervision.”

It may be a quick fix, or a long haul, but I hope it is possible to change things. If not, change the way you react. If he starts telling you how to drive, stop the car and order him to get out or shut up. If he tells you how to do the cleaning, just down tools and tell him to do it. Don’t be down-trodden by him.

If none of this works, then consider going your separate ways, but get advice: don’t just do what he tells you. I wish you well.

Notagranyet24 Fri 20-Dec-24 12:09:54

Homestead62 <I would just ask him politely ' are you doing this or am I?'>

Just the other day, we were going away for a few days and I got out of the packed car and started searching for something (my gloves) in the boot.
He had no idea what I was searching for but came and stood behind me peering over my shoulder ready to 'help'. I asked him what he was doing as he had no idea what I was looking for and he actually laughed. So I think his behaviour is often knee-jerk but it's so ever present and tiring.