Women Bishops!

My daughter is a self confessed chav. She certainly doesn't need protecting by this woman who needs to sort out her own life before she attempts to sort out other peoples.

Ooh! JessM you have a nice line in cursed. Who's upset you today?

I didn't think Julie's article was radical feminist. Just angry with a certain small group of people. She is just a forthright journalist.
Surely radical feminism would look something like: "All men are bastards and the world would be a better place if the whole bloody lot were sent to Antarctica with only summer wardrobe. Hopefully to freeze their balls off. And other bits as well. In the meantime I am going to do my best to live a life in which I don't have to talk to any!" Hardly the usual GN style
Maybe this thread can now fade back into the peaceful corner of cyberspace where it was sitting quietly, contemplating a few passing electrons, before somebody stirred it back into life.

That's not from the bible as agreed by the Council of Nicene, is it Hollydaze? Not that we should be defined by that but I hadn't come across it before.

Here is the Wikipedia entry on her.
If you can match that, you can claim to be a "militant feminist" (well, a militant something) If not, you are just a common-or-garden ordinary woman who lives in relative obscurity but thinks women could still use a bit more common-or-garden-feminism.

OMG does she write like that all the time. What a horrible way to talk about people.

I'd say that you were a feminist, vampirequeen, but not a radical one. To join that club you would need to be FAR more aggressive about it.

Like Julie Birchill, for instance.
blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tobyyoung/100198116/here-is-julie-burchills-censored-observer-article/

I've been called a lot of things in my life but never a radical feminist. I'm not sure I would describe myself as a feminist but then I'm not sure what a feminist really is.

I believe:
(1)that all should have equal opportunities regardless of gender, sexual orientation, religion, lack of religion, race, height, weight, eye colour, hair colour or anything else that makes them different to someone else

(2)that men in general are better suited to some occupations and women in general are better suited to others...not a hard and fast rule...nothing overrules (1)

(3)there is nothing wrong with being a full time mum/dad/housewife/househusband if that suits the person and/or their family circumstances

(4)that no means no and a woman never asks to be raped

(5)that predatory sexual behaviour and bullying by either gender is wrong but that now some women are crying harassment for something as simple as a complimentary wolf whistle.

I see that Marmark1 was posting on the AIBU site "My daughter-in-law and son" and said "This is a good sight.Nice to hear from people similar to me"

Has Marmark1 posted on any other subjects, to check just how one-track our minds are, or just on this one (and if not, then whose mind has only one track?)

Don't see myself as a radical anything! Certainly haven't a one track mind! Don't see many of you are radical either.
What a very strange opinion!

Sorry you feel you have no alternative but to go, Marmark1 but that is your decision.

Radical feminists we are not, just normal women who feel that legal and bureaucratic barriers such as the one that kept women from being bishops have no place in our society, and the barriers placed on women's ability to "be or do what they want" in some other societies are unacceptable. You say that there are no barriers to what you can do. You are very lucky.

After reading some of the replies to other threads,it seems I am in the company of mainly radical feminist,with obvious one track minds,unable to grasp the concept of total equality.
As I am only very fair minded,I won't be able to add any opinion that won't be shouted down.So I will sign off.Thank you ladies.

There are definitely female rabbis - Julia Neuburger for one - but I don't think I have ever heard of a female imam. Somehow I don't think there are any.

I think the bottom line is that SOME men are suited to work that is traditionally considered female and SOME women suited to work traditionally thought male. When there are laws and rigid procedures that prevent them doing those jobs, they are not "able to do or be whatever they want to do or be"

I quoted a definition of feminism esrlier, but will repeat it here:-

dictionary.reference.com/ says

"feminist -
adjective, Sometimes, feministic
1. advocating social, political, legal, and economic rights for women equal to those of men.

noun
2. an advocate of such rights."

I'm not sure what the definition of a feminist is (and perhaps this belongs on another thread) but I strongly believe that most men and most women have different approaches to organising, problem solving, interpersonal relationships etc. Each contributes something and we complement eachother.
We're of equal value , but in different ways.
So our differences mean that some jobs are more suitable for women and some for men.
Female priests - definitely. Female bishops - probably ok. There are female rabbis, what about female imams?

Nonu - I was describing characteristics of feminists

As a church goer and chorister in our local Diocese, I'm in favour of Lady Bishops. Actually, the Gender of a preacher shouldn't matter.

HildaW Said:.>>

"Please lets try to see the person, not the gender....judge by what someone does and says, not by which way they button their shirt."

I agree with that statement whole heartedly.

I agree that gender should not limit careers, interests and activities but we must make sure that society doesn't look down on full time wives/husbands and mothers/fathers. Whilst some feel they need to work to find fulfillment others are happiest at home with their children.

I loved being a full time mum and I'm glad I had to opportunity to do it. I had my children at a time when it was still acceptable to give up work and nurture your children. Now poor women are expected to go back to work and give their children into the care of strangers. I know some people have to work to keep the family going but it's sad that being a full time parent is looked down upon.

As the grandmother of two girls & two boys I want all four of them to be able to develop their skills, aptitudes and interests without being limited by other people's set opinions on what girls/boys should be like or do. Their gender should not limit their career paths, social interests and activities. Kids are kids and we should not be moulding them into traditional /stereotypical gender specific behaviours and attitudes.

Campaigning and speaking out against such limitations is part of the 'feminist' cause.

Just reread my post. It should have said "people who think that women are capable of doing or being whatever they want" What I posted above was not accurate.

I can't think why you should want to sign out (you wrote sigh out?? Is it that sad?) because you have a different opinion/definition on one subject to some others. There are posters here with all kinds of opinions. We manage to exchange views without bloodshed and without anyone feeling they must leave.

Femininists also, MARK think that might
have been forgotten!

I think there's a lot of strong minded, confident , bright , intelligent , knowledgable and witty women ( and a few men) so if you think you don't fit in.......

It is mostly made up of people who think that women can do or be whatever they want to, Marmark1, so you should feel completely at home.

Is this group primary made up of Feminists then.No offence,but if that's the case I better sigh out.

Maggie Thatcher was a very strange combination of an overbearing but feminine figure conducting herself in a very aggressive and masculine manner. I must confess that I admired her intellect, determination and personal courage, but loathed just about everything else about her and what she stood for, and the damage she did to the country. So perhaps it would have been better if she had joined the church - she might have made a quite extraordinary Bishop or even Archbishop, but heaven help any priest or prelate who crossed her! One aspect of her character which really puzzled me was her apparent ready abandonment of her Midland roots and accent. I never understood why she did that. Perhaps her ambition to succeed in the rarefied atmosphere of the Tory party required it.