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M0nica Tue 13-Oct-15 17:50:16

This is a concept defined in The Spectator this week.
new.spectator.co.uk/2015/10/i-invented-virtue-signalling-now-its-taking-over-the-world/

It is defined as: the way in which many people say or write things to indicate that they are virtuous. One of the examples given is of people who tell you that they hate the Daily Mail or UKIP or similar to indicate they are admirably non-racist, left-wing or open-minded. In this context I could say, 'I do not usually read The Spectator, but....' Thus indicating that I am not naturally right wing in my politics.

As the author points out, by virtue signalling the individual is saved the effort of actually having to do anything virtuous, signalling is enough to create the halo.

It is a fairly short and thought-provoking article. However its main raison d'etre is that it succinctly sums up a phenomena one has often recognised but not, until now, had a word for.

Luckygirl Tue 13-Oct-15 18:12:33

'Twas ever thus.

NotTooOld Tue 13-Oct-15 22:06:25

Interesting concept. We all do it, don't we?

Ana Tue 13-Oct-15 22:20:10

Certainly not! I'm far too virtuous to be sending out any such signals...wink

Grannyknot Tue 13-Oct-15 22:27:18

I blame Facebook and all the "soundbites" that people post to show how virtuous they are.

grin

NotTooOld Tue 13-Oct-15 22:44:35

And what wonderfully exciting/fulfilling/enviable lives they all lead on FB!

soontobe Tue 13-Oct-15 23:33:55

There was a thread on this subject on mumsnet a couple of weeks ago. It was an interesting read, to me at least. I will link it tomorow if I have time.
It is too late at night for me to properly take in the opening post here in its entirity. Or to get my spelling right!

soontobe Wed 14-Oct-15 07:22:29

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2464585-to-get-a-bit-irritated-with-all-the-virtue-signalling-on-MN?trending=1

Even the op is interesting.

Anya Wed 14-Oct-15 07:37:04

Quirky little article. It's one of those words or phrases that make you think 'yes, that's exactly what I've been looking for' - like when a toddler discovers the word 'mine' grin

rosesarered Wed 14-Oct-15 11:43:40

Yes, sounds a useful phrase doesn't it? We can all use it in general conversation as well as the forum ie to DH "for God's sake stop virtue signalling again Ralph!" grin

LullyDully Wed 14-Oct-15 12:09:50

Had to look up yanbu

Maggiemaybe Wed 14-Oct-15 12:52:30

Lord, now I've just wasted spent another hour reading through a Mumsnet thread. Note to self - Gransnet is taking up enough of your time, keep away from the dark side! grin

Some entertaining posts on there though. And I've adopted a new word - smugupmanship. Brilliant!

petallus Wed 14-Oct-15 15:28:45

So true. Love it.

Gracesgran Wed 14-Oct-15 15:53:14

Surely someone who keeps telling you what they "hate" is just "signalling" an inability to communicate?

M0nica Wed 14-Oct-15 15:57:07

One again, virtue signalling, what they 'hate' are the things that make them look virtuous by so doing.

ffinnochio Wed 14-Oct-15 16:25:29

Think I prefer smugupmanship, to virtue signalling grin . Goes straight to the point.

Eloethan Wed 14-Oct-15 16:37:56

Expressing a negative opinion about a newspaper or a political party is supposed to be signalling virtue is it? What is it signalling when people say, for instance, "I don't like and would never read the Guardian" or "I would never go on a demonstration" or "I'm tempted to vote UKIP"?

It's akin to calling people who campaign on behalf of unpopular causes "do-gooders" - an attempt to ridicule and belittle - and discourage others from expressing similar views.

The final paragraph of the article reads:

"I compared them with people I met who thought they were virtuous merely because they voted Labour once every five years and expressed hatred of right-wingers. That is not virtue. That is lazy, self-righteous and silly."

The article doesn't address people who vote Conservative once every five years and who are contemptuous of those on the left, trades unions and anyone who challenges the traditional way of doing things. Why are they not also labelled as lazy, self-righteous and silly?

How presumptuous of this man to imply that people who hold opinions different from himself are, in effect, poseurs and hypocrites because they do nothing to put their beliefs into action. How the hell does he know what they do?

Ana Wed 14-Oct-15 16:43:00

Presumably he asked them.

Anya Wed 14-Oct-15 17:01:19

Yes, they all are lazy, self-righteous and I'd say smug, rather than silly..

soontobe Wed 14-Oct-15 18:01:27

I think that those who virtue signal seem to do it on an almost daily, or daily basis, so they are easy to spot. It doesnt matter whether they are left wing, right wing or whatever and wouldnt just do it in relation to politics anyway.

Ana Wed 14-Oct-15 18:10:05

Exactly. Another example is 'I hate/despise gossip', at one stroke making others feel guilty for indulging in it, listening to it or heaven forbid secretly enjoying it, while advertising self-righteous holier-than-thou-ness...

Elegran Wed 14-Oct-15 18:22:14

And "I really cannot stand intolerance. I'd shoot all those who can't live and let live!""

Ana Wed 14-Oct-15 18:28:28

grin

magpie123 Thu 15-Oct-15 08:19:14

MOnica There are many virtuous posters on GN especially on the politics thread.

Lona Thu 15-Oct-15 08:58:59

I love a good bit of gossip! grin
Feeling free to pm some!