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Granny23 Sat 14-Jan-12 11:31:46

Am I being unreasonable to expect that when chefs and bakers sneak cheese, creme fresh and yoghurt into their recipes they should indicate this on the menu? As they would for nuts.

Came back from a 24 hour 'festive break' at a spa, left after lunch and within half an hour was so ill, in public toilets, that I feared I would pass out. Rest of the journey, on a beautiful day, was a nightmare for me. Thankfully, DH was driving as I couldn't possibly have driven in that state.
The culprit was the bread and butter pudding I had for dessert, served with what was described as fresh cream, which tasted 'off' to me. I only had a couple of spoonfuls but that was enough.

I have a food intolerance, not to dairy per se - I can drink milk, sup cream and eat butter - but to the bacterium which converts milk into cheese or yoghurt. This has not been a big problem for me until recent years when chefs seem to have decided en masse to add these products, willy nilly, without warning, to soups, sauces, dressings and desserts. I had a long running, and largely one sided on my part, run in with Tesco, when in their wisdom they decided to top my favourite Danish Pastries with cream cheese instead of icing, with nothing in store to indicate this.

If eating out I usually stick to Chinese restaurants (no dairy at all) or fish and chips. The thankfully few times when we dine 'up market', I find my menu choices increasingly limited and in spite of asking the waiter to check with chef have frequently been 'poisoned'.

What is this modern obsession with corrupting standard recipes with cheesy alternastive ingredients?

JessM Mon 16-Jan-12 18:31:42

miserable goldengirl to put it mildly.

johanna Mon 16-Jan-12 18:30:32

* Hello Goldengirl *
Thank you for your reply.
..." reviews on various bits of my anatomy...... etc "grin

goldengirl Mon 16-Jan-12 17:58:39

As jeni and JessM have described really Johanna. I contracted it via a minor op compounded by the antibiotics I had to take. I think the best way to describe the main symptom is to say I lived in the loo [which meant I became very weak, and extremely poorly, losing lots of weight and it affected my eyes and teeth] and became virtually housebound for 2 years before having cognitive therapy to help me cope. This was in the days before it became public knowledge. Now it would be diagnosed much quicker - I hope! I still have the odd off day but at least I can go out as long as there is a loo en route and at the destination and I'm careful with what I eat. Having been very healthy all my life [which I think saved me] I have a 'reserved seat' at the hospital now for reviews on various bits of my anatomy which is a bit ironic in the circumstances!

jeni Sun 15-Jan-12 21:02:55

Quite!

JessM Sun 15-Jan-12 20:52:31

big doses of broad spectrum antibiotics can create a situation where c diff can move in and thrive in lower bowel. of course lots of people in hospital are on antibiotics after surgery, accidents etc etc
and it is rather persistent
So persistent that in some hospitals they are trying faecal transplants (as in a sample from relatives) with some success (in cases where people stuck in hospital for a long time with this nasty disease). Pretty weird but it works apparently.
Dangerous too in people who are very weak.

jeni Sun 15-Jan-12 20:19:45

A very nasty bug and difficult to get rid of, hence the difficile. I think usually aquired iin hospital

johanna Sun 15-Jan-12 20:14:23

Hello Goldengirl
Sorry to sound totally ignorant about C.Diff. But what are the signs?
Does it only exist in the gut?
How does one contract it? Too many anti-biotics, or just bad luck?
If you have time, please fill me in.

goldengirl Sun 15-Jan-12 18:23:04

I'm also odd grin because I can't tolerate cream either and so many restaurants these days have dishes swathed in a creamy sauce which are impossible for me to eat. I had a delicious Indian meal last week but I tried a korma forgetting that it contains cream - until I had to make a dive for the loo! I never used to be like this until I contracted that wretched c.diff. Going out for a meal is soooo risky which is very disappointing as I like eating out.

Annika Sun 15-Jan-12 17:13:41

No bagitha I think I am just odd hmm grin

bagitha Sun 15-Jan-12 15:08:11

Looking for something common to all the foods in your list, annika, and I'm stumped! Does that mean there are several things that you're allergic to? How annoying if so.

jeni Sun 15-Jan-12 14:57:23

No vinegar with chips! That's heresy. Wash youg mouth out.
Ps why does chip shop vinegar taste better than normal.
We're back to food again and I'm hungry.
Have just found my scales. Cleaner had put them in the ironing room. I never go in there!

Annika Sun 15-Jan-12 11:15:08

As I get older the number of foods I can not eat increase . It started with spicy foods which to be honest I have never liked.
I can't eat pickles (used to love pickled onions, I used to pickle them myself)
Nuts
Bananas
Lettuce
Pork
Oats
Wine gums sad
Can no longer put vinegar on chips ,but as I don't have them much thats not too bad.
I have an hiatus hernia which doesn't make things any easier sad

Oldgreymare Sun 15-Jan-12 10:42:36

Aaaaaaaaaah! Is that what it is? I only have the problem with whites tho' which tend to be young wines (the ones I can afford anyway). I also think lots of Chardonnays (SP) taste like liquid paraffin.YUK!

bagitha Sun 15-Jan-12 08:37:31

That made me smile, flickety! DH and I have the same problem with new wines, even whites.

FlicketyB Sun 15-Jan-12 08:31:24

My problem is red wine. No, not that way. For years I wouldnt drink it because at times one glass would give me a two day migraine/hangover. Then I read an article in the New Scientist that said that young red wine contains volatiles that disappear with age and I discovered other people had my problem and solved it by not drinking red wine less than three years old.

Now I can drink red wine, which I really enjoy without worrying. The only problem is that when we are in restaurants we have to ask what year any red wine we would like to drink is, and back off if it is less than three years old, which at times makes us sound ever so precious and pretentious. Have you tried explaining this in fractured German when on holiday?

Oldgreymare Sat 14-Jan-12 23:22:40

Grans, is it another 'age thing'? I used to be able to eat almost anything but as I've got older I seem to have developed intolerences to an increasing number of foods starting with yeast extract and citrus fruits when I was in my late 30s. Since then chocolate, peppers and bananas have joined the list. Such a shame as I am a real foodie!

jeni Sat 14-Jan-12 22:33:54

silverf it's most likely that like me it's an allergy to the yolks, try just whites and see what happens.

harrigran Sat 14-Jan-12 22:15:58

I have an intolerance to chilli and black pepper. I begin to feel ill within 30 minutes of having a meal that contains the pepper, sometimes I am not aware it is there until the sore tummy starts. My son reacts the same way when he has a curry so it may well be your problem too Annobel

silverfoxygran Sat 14-Jan-12 21:53:39

Eggs - I just can't digest them - they come straight back the minute I've eaten them. it is very annoying when the menu shows some sort of tart only to find it's a quiche when it arrives in front of me and has to be returned to the kitchen.

Strangely I can eat cake but I think the egg content is so small a part of the whole recipe I am probably only eating very little of the offending item. However anything predominately egg based - sauces etc have to be avoided and oddly I can't eat aubergines either - don't they call them EggPlant in America?

expatmaggie Sat 14-Jan-12 21:48:58

I once saw strawberry joghhurts being made. They use a mouldy fungus, let it grow and and then add a fake strawberry flavor to it and perhaps a drop of beetroot juice and put it into joghurts. Disgusting.
Give children plain joghurts and add a spoonful of jam.
As to créme fraiche I love it, it transforms soups and root vegetables

FlicketyB Sat 14-Jan-12 21:13:38

If you look at the list of ingredients on low fat foods you will find more often than not that the fat has been replaced by corn syrup, a fructose (sugar) product that goes under a variety of names 'hydrolised maize product, maize syrup etc etc.

After hearing an item on the radio about this I have stopped buying DH low fat yoghourts (I loathe yoghourt so never eat it) because as he has diabetes that fat is probably less damaging for him than the sugar, regardless of calorie count. This week I scrutinised other low fat dairy products like low fat creme fraiche, all had the fat replaced with this sugar product. The one exception is low fat cheese. Low fat cheddar and low fat mozarella contain only milk.

It looks like being one of those products like trans fats that are developed by the food industry because they are cheaper/sweeter than natural ingredients, start to be used in every food on the market and then medical researchers discover that they may be good for the food industry but are not any good for the health of the consumers.

Annobel Sat 14-Jan-12 15:21:47

so do I - but it doesn't like me very much. Nor do coffee, avocados or cream. I may have missed something!

emilyjo Sat 14-Jan-12 15:19:28

stop talking of food i love indian,lol

Granny23 Sat 14-Jan-12 15:15:28

Thanks for all the info Bagitha. I have also learned today how to spell creme fraiche and Yogurt.

Annobel - I never eat Indian or Indonesian food because of yogurt in the sauces, marinades and even the nan bread. However I love chinese food (not sushi!) - no dairy at all, fresh or fraiche, to worry about.

Butternut Sat 14-Jan-12 14:44:57

Thank you for that, bagitha.smile

Food for thought. wink