To think Liz Jones is a bitter and twisted old hag?

But we could then stray into the realms of what is defined as ugly! (and it may even be unrelated to physical appearance)

Tin Helmet time.

I did not say we should be vitriolic, Petallus - only that LJ sometimes was. Please don't extrapolate from my slightest remark!

The definition of HAG is old and ugly .

Liz Jones is neither.

Ok, thread title aside, I think that the article was nasty in the extreme. I was also interested to read the twitter quote from CB that j07 posted, with regard to CB not giving Jones an interview.

Thank you

merlotgran I hadn't realised that you had apologised for the title.

I admire people who will apologise when they have second thoughts because it's not an easy thing to do.

The vitriolic comment was in response to something greatnan said merlotgran.

I don't have a problem, just interested in the discussion.

jingle

petallus, Am I Being Unreasonable has a question mark at the end which invites comment. You have made your points. Nobody is asking you to be vitriolic. I accept you do not agree with me and have no desire to argue the point so what is your problem?

Ok. Sorry.

I've already apologised for the title but it's nothing compared to some of the things Liz Jones has written about people in the past.

Greatnan if doing unto others as they do unto others is justified, presumably it would be okay to hang murderers?

In case that's not clear, my point is that just because LJ is vitriolic, does that mean that is a license for me to be vitriolic to her?

No, I don't want to be a vitriolic person.

It's the "bitter and twisted old hag" bit.

All I know is I really don't want to wake up in the morning and find it jumping out at me from the top of Active Conversations.

It's somehow a bit of an insult to nature.

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FlicketyB I agree with you. I hope she doesn't read some of the vile things that are written about her by people who have never met her or know anything about her. (*janthea*)

I think journalists who do a hatchet job on another individual either in the media, in public life or "ordinary" people like us, has probably got a thick enough skin. If they did not, they would find it hard to be so gratuitously insulting about others - whom they, in turn, may not know personally.
What goes around, comes around.

LJ can be pretty vitriolic herself.

The article was certainly hard hitting although I agreed with some of the things in it.

I think it's fine to disagree with the article and say it's unpleasant.

However, calling the author of it bitter and twisted and especially an OLD HAG? No.

Incidentally, what does it meant to call a woman an old hag?

Seems to be using her age and looks as a weapon against her. It's sexist language.

FlicketyB I agree with you. I hope she doesn't read some of the vile things that are written about her by people who have never met her or know anything about her.

Quite Merlot, well said.

Jingle, The title of this thread, good or bad, is under the AIBU banner. I don't mind a bit if you think I am being unreasonable but I do think it's a topic worth discussing or I wouldn't have started it. I apologise to anyone who doesn't like the title but petallus, I don't consider the thread to be unpleasant - I think the article was. The fact that this topic has run for five pages shows that some gransnetters were interested enough to comment and surely that is why we have a forum which is open to all.

I'd echo that FlicketyB - her diary is written for effect I think. When I've read other pieces she's written I've often found myself agreeing with her. I am also impressed by the fact she says what she thinks, knowing she'll be receiving a huge amount of hate and vitriol via the Internet. I presume she doesn't read all the comments people make.

Well, I have always felt respect and sorrow for Liz Jones. She clearly has deep psychological issues that go back to childhood and she has been incredibly brave in being prepared to bare all without holding anything back even though she must be very aware of the deeply hostile response she gets from so many people.

Many people with so many protective layers missing as Liz Jones has retreat into themselves, steroetypically the elderly female recluse who prefers cats and dogs to people because there animals love them unconditionally and people cannot bet rusted. She has come out all guns blazing and been determined to live and mix with other people in that most unforgiving of careers, jourbalism.

Yes, some of her views make me step back and take a deep breath, but more often I just wish to give her a hug and tell her life really isnt that bad.

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I thought we were better than this on Gransnet.

This is an unpleasant thread, starting with the title.