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To think that teachers convicted of downloading child pornography should not be allowed to teach?

(28 Posts)
bluebell Thu 06-Jun-13 08:44:20

I am somewhat surprised at this case ( to say the least). What with this and the failure to incarcerate Ovenden, is there a libeterian backlash occurring? Maybe Hall's barrister is on to something!

mollie Thu 06-Jun-13 08:59:47

On the face of it I'd say you aren't being unreasonable but I don't know this case ... were the photos mild and a few and does he/she teach enormous, hairy teenagers who can look after themselves? What were the circumstances? Apologies to those who already know...

annodomini Thu 06-Jun-13 09:07:26

From what I heard on the news this morning, the ones he had opened were at 1 on a scale of severity from 1 to 10. Others were 3 but he hadn't opened them. However, I wonder why he downloaded them if the intention to get a kick out of them wasn't there.
It will be up to an individual school to decide whether or not to employ him. If such a person had applied for a job when I was a school governor he wouldn't have reached the interview stage. Although he is no longer on the sex offenders' register, he will still have a police record.

bluebell Thu 06-Jun-13 09:38:13

He taught at a Catholic High School - which would include a lot more than hairy teenagers!! His photos were level 1 ( the scale is 1-5) Level one means the children are nude and the poses erotic but there is no sexual activity. Of course, that's in the actual photos themselves - god only knows what went on whilst the children were being posed and before and after. I think that's actually what really really bugs me - the act of viewing photos in which of course children were being abused whilst they were created. How could you not care that by viewing these images you were contributing to child abuse - how could you then be allowed in a classroom? It's wrong that its left upto individual schools ( although I agree he probably won't be employable) as it sends a very odd message.

sunseeker Thu 06-Jun-13 10:11:27

bluebell I do so agree with you. I once had a conversation with a solicitor who was defending someone who had downloaded child pornography. (I was working in a different department of the same practice) He was saying he was only looking at the pictures not actually abusing a child. I had to forcefully point out to the solicitor that in order for the pictures to be there to be viewed a child had to be abused.

whenim64 Thu 06-Jun-13 10:16:41

Perhaps Michael Gove would like to place him in a school in his constituency, if he's ok about him continuing to work? He can stake his job as an MP, if he's so confdent. i bet he wouldn't get re-elcted, nor would the local parents let this man through the school gates. Personally, I would strongly object, knowing that he would be sexually fantasisng about the next child he is attracted to.

gracesmum Thu 06-Jun-13 10:21:59

If there was no demand for it, i.e. if nobody downloaded it (if only) it would not exist, so the downloading is fundamental to its existence. It is rarely if ever innocent and so-called "innocent" viewers must realise and be made to realise they are contributing to this nauseating form of child abuse. It's not the sort of thing you do by accident.
Only once ever, as a Samaritan, did I meet someone who claimed his downloading was entirely innocent for the purpose of a dissertation for his training as a social worker. When he told me, it was because he realised, possibly too late, that the act itself had the potential to be the end of his future career.

Mishap Thu 06-Jun-13 10:36:34

I have not heard about this case, but in principle I am clear that downloading such images should result in automatic dismissal from any post that involves contact with children.

whenim64 Thu 06-Jun-13 10:39:34

The Sentencing Guidelines say that this offence is not suitable for a Caution, so why the hell has he been allowed to avoid court?

DottyB Thu 06-Jun-13 10:53:01

Yes, I too was shocked and puzzled when I heard this on the news - actually wondered if i'd heard it right! There are no mitigating circumstances in respect of child porn - these pictures might be graded in order of 'severity', but IMHO anything that relates children with porn is wrong. I wonder how the parents at that school will now react?

MiceElf Thu 06-Jun-13 11:13:47

I understand that the giving of cautions is a matter for the Chief Constable of the area. The West Midlands tops the list. But I suppose it means that the Police can manage their statistics on cleared up crime and it looks good for them.

Tegan Thu 06-Jun-13 11:45:54

Thought at first that maybe he'd just been browsing and accidentally looked at something, but it says he downloaded 200 images.

Greatnan Thu 06-Jun-13 12:55:22

I am outraged that any image of a child in a provocative pose can be viewed as 'not serious'. So many offenders try to say it is a victimless crime, they are not hurting the children, etc. Rubbish.
There are many instances of judges handing out very soft sentences to paedophiles - it does not surprise me when I look at the backgrounds of the majority of them.

Grannyknot Thu 06-Jun-13 15:46:34

I'm with you on this greatnan.

HildaW Thu 06-Jun-13 18:42:25

Saw this on news....evidently he has shown empathy and remorse....strewth! someone needs a lesson in how paedophiles work - being devious is part of their bag of tricks.

connorpeplow Thu 06-Jun-13 18:58:09

No what your doing is fine!

j08 Thu 06-Jun-13 19:45:25


mollie Thu 06-Jun-13 19:50:29

I see its been announced that no teacher will be banned from teaching in a school after all such convictions.

Ana Thu 06-Jun-13 19:52:58

What? All such convictions...? shock I hope not...

mollie Thu 06-Jun-13 20:02:19

Ok my mistake - blame it on bad editing - should read 'every teacher'. Thank you for mentioning my error...

Nelliemoser Thu 06-Jun-13 21:14:56

This defies all common sense really! Just ban him.

He is not just a member of the public who has downloaded images!

He is someone who has been working with children.

Apart from the nasty interests in looking at these images in the first place, he surely should, as a teacher have been very aware of the potential damage to his career by just trying to access any stuff remotely like this on his computer. It sounds distinctly dodgy to me!

Even if he has not actually been banned I cannot see any schools willing to employ him.

Any parents willing to allow him to teach their children.

Or that he would ever survive the abuse and ridicule he would get from the schools pupils.
At least I hope not!

Notso Thu 06-Jun-13 22:28:25

How about a tattoo on his forehead stating 'I only pose a minor risk to children' ?

tammy1351 Thu 06-Jun-13 23:21:08

As far as I'm concerned there is no such thing as a scale of 1 to 10 or any other number,for child porn.angry

HMHNanna Fri 07-Jun-13 00:07:26

The fact that he teaches religious education, also beggars belief.

whenim64 Fri 07-Jun-13 00:17:53

Michael Gove has been challenged and a statement has been put out to the effect that, in future, this will not be happening again. I agree with Nelliemoser - just ban him.