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To think Deborah Meaden on Strictly is an insult to women in business

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janeainsworth Sun 08-Sep-13 14:07:50

I don't watch Dragons Den and have only occasionally watched Strictly, but I think you are being slightly dismissive of the skills required to dance well, Jess. While the false glamour and superficiality of Strictly are not things I admire, the ability to dance well, and the determination to learn, is different.
As one who loves dancing but struggles to do it properly, I think any amateur who sets herself the challenge of going in for Strictly is being brave, and I agree with Jo8 that Ann Widdecombe didn't make a fool of herself.

sunseeker Sun 08-Sep-13 13:37:58

I don't watch Dragons Den but I have heard that if they do invest in your company they want a really large share - some people turn them down because they are not willing to part with a large chunk of their company.

They also get it wrong as the dragons did turn down the man who produces the Trunki. I only know this because I read about it in the local newspaper!

j08 Sun 08-Sep-13 13:31:43

Anne Widdecombe did NOT make a fool of herself!!! How can you say that? She was great!

j08 Sun 08-Sep-13 13:30:52

It must be a fantastic way to get fit and lose a bit of weight!

appygran Sun 08-Sep-13 13:02:25

Perhaps she is a role model for not taking yourself too seriously. Lighten up its just a lighthearted tv programme.

Lona Sun 08-Sep-13 12:49:45

They don't always make fools of themselves Jess (ok, Edwina Currie and Anne Widdecombe did), but some of the middle aged women turned into pretty good dancers.

Charleygirl Sun 08-Sep-13 11:50:59

JessM Kelly Hoppen has now joined DM on Dragons Den.

JessM Sun 08-Sep-13 11:42:12

You don't think it important bags that a high profile woman who could be a role model for women wanting to start their own business is one minute presenting herself as an intimidating hard headed 'dragon' and the next minute potentially making a fool of herself in sequins and false eyelashes?
I don't think either stereotype is remotely helpful.
Don't suppose you watch Strictly either but they always seem to recruit 2 or 3 middle aged women (and some men as well) who seem willing to make fools of themselves.
If retired sportswomen, out of work TV presenters or slightly forgotten singers want to take part then that's fine by me.

henetha Sun 08-Sep-13 11:37:48

It's on at 8pm this evening, BBC2.... just in case anyone is interested.

thatbags Sun 08-Sep-13 11:19:02

Thanks for the info, jess. Still not sure it matters that I'm 'missing' it. As henetha says, each to their own.

JessM Sun 08-Sep-13 10:54:52

Dragons Den is a business programme in which budding entrepreneurs pitch their business ideas to a panel of rich business people. The aim is to get one of the panel to invest in your business and act as a mentor. DM is the only female on the panel. She has started up several companies e.g. Red Letter Day.
It is presented as a fairly serious business programme with Evan Davies as lineman. Several of the "contestants" are usually awful with one or two having a viable proposition. It is a very successful TV programme and has been running for years. DM presents herself on that as a hard headed MD.

henetha Sun 08-Sep-13 10:25:54

Fair enough. Each to his own.

thatbags Sun 08-Sep-13 10:20:38

I have no idea who this woman is nor what Dragon's Den is. Whatsmore, I don't think I'm missing anything important.

henetha Sun 08-Sep-13 10:14:18

She's a regular on Dragon's Den.

sunseeker Sun 08-Sep-13 10:05:15

I have no idea who this woman is!

henetha Sun 08-Sep-13 09:49:33

Live and let live, I think. I can't see any harm in her indulging in a bit of dancing on tele.

Lona Sun 08-Sep-13 09:23:40

Maybe she is just showing her multitasking skills.

Lots of 'famous' people hanker after being on these reality shows, and if she wants to learn another skill (?) and can fit it into her life, well, I don't see why she shouldn't.

I don't think she is letting anyone down in the business world.

JessM Sun 08-Sep-13 09:13:40

I can only think of 4 women on TV who are presented as businesswomen.
The two on The Apprentice (we love Margaret don't we because she is real) , Mary Portas (got to admire her) and Deborah Meaden of Dragons Den, and now, of Strictly Come Dancing.
She is presented as a successful business woman - bit of a guru. She is obviously keen to turn herself into a kind of stereotype (I boss the dragons around etc). She presumably is pretty wealthy. But if she is so successful and is committed to mentoring all those little den survivors how on earth has she got time to be on Strictly? (they must sign up to make themselves available for the duration)
And is she really a wannabe TV presenter and not, actually a businesswoman at all?
Am I being unreasonable to think she is letting down the millions of women who work in the business world in this country, and doing so in spectacular fashion?