Christian Family face possible legal action

Dear HollyDaze
Please - what is this ''... gay cake.'' you bake?
Do you also bake Trans cakes - made with trans fats perhaps ?
And as for Apple Tarts ....and chocolate eclairs...pheeew !

Why didn't he bake a cake and then get someone else whodosnt object to homosexuality, to write the slogan?

So would a gay bakery have willingly stuck a slogan saying 'ban gay marriage' on a cake for the town hall, because it did not endorse their beliefs? This has all the hallmarks of a set up and taxpayers money will be used to sort it out.
The change in attitude from persecution is a great advance, but saying that people who disagree with you or stand firm in beliefs which don't match yours are wrong and should be prosecuted is another form of persecution.

What an opportunity for gay bakers to set up store in that town. There is obviously a great demand for their services.

No, not at all. If I felt I had anything to apologise for I would do so.

Well, I would have started a separate thread tbh.

Sorry's just the hardest word, isn't it Jingl?

ninny

Ham-fisted equal rights

Last week I wrote about the bakery run by Christians that is being taken to the Equalities Commission after refusing to bake a gay cake.

Now a cashier in a Tesco store in North-West London has refused to sell a woman ham because it violated his deeply held Muslim beliefs.

No action has been taken over this. No threat of legal action.

No surprise. by Amanda Platell.

And no negative comments on here either! I'm surprised.

Blame * ninny* for reincarnati ng the thread. When it had been gone for a week.

As I said, I did n't realise that was a week old post which I had already replied to. The rest of my post stands.

OK Jingl I will spell it out for you.
You addressed me personally, and then you wrote:
"Some people seem to deliberately misunderstand what is being said, no matter how carefully a poster words a post.

Then the discussion turns into nit picking"

Surprising as it may seem, I don't like being accused of deliberately misunderstanding posts, or of nit-picking, especially when more than a week has elapsed since I last posted on the thread.

Or were you criticising some other, unnamed poster?

I don't understand that at all! What grudges? What have I got to get back at anyone for? I just saw your post and replied, having forgotten I had already done so.

I thought this thread was long gone anyway.

I really don't know what you mean j a

And some people are so intent on getting back at other posters jingl they harbour their grudges for a week at a time, don't they.

I had already answered that had n't I. There you are. Two for the price of one.

Sigh.

janeainsworth - no.

Some people seem to deliberately misunderstand what is being said, no matter how carefully a poster words a post.

Then the discussion turns into nit picking.

Ham-fisted equal rights

Last week I wrote about the bakery run by Christians that is being taken to the Equalities Commission after refusing to bake a gay cake.

Now a cashier in a Tesco store in North-West London has refused to sell a woman ham because it violated his deeply held Muslim beliefs.

No action has been taken over this. No threat of legal action.

No surprise. by Amanda Platell.

Things certainly seem to have changed in the Christian church. In the early days Christians used to set up the establishment, get arrested, charged and then put to death.
Now they sit at home minding their own small businesses, and people come to set THEM up..

with! Not "if"

As I have previously ja the Christian Church seems undecided upon whether it is a sin or not. This family probably feels it is. That is their prerogative. I know the present teaching of the Church is to love the sinner, not the sin. Please beware that I am not "the Christian Church". I am not discussing this at a personal level.

In fact, I am not discussing it anymore at all. Please don't address any more remarks or questions to me. I am totally bored if the whole thing.

You and I obviously have a different take on this thread jingl

I am simply looking at the bigger picture of the mindset of people like this baker. A very sensible question to consider I would have thought.

I don't think your telling posters how to think and express themselves adds to any discussion. It's tiresome.

I don't know what Jesus would have preached. I know that he didn't preach against homosexuality. But that isn't the point. This is a difficult case because it concerns issues on which public and private opinion is still divided, with legislation supporting one particular set of views. Tolerance is virtuous but it is not virtuous to tolerate wrong. Our views on what is wrong vary.

What if it had been a shop assistant employed by the bakery directors who had refused to supply something that the bakery usually supplied to customers because s/he (the shop assistant) didn't agree with the writing on the cake? The bakery directors would be completely within their rights to sack that employee.

That isn't what happened at M&S though thatbags

www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/retailandconsumer/10533728/MandS-faces-furious-backlash-from-customers-over-Muslim-policy.html

As far as I'm aware, they can still refuse to handle those products without the risk of losing their jobs.

The baker is still free to campaign against gay marriage in his free time. He can even make cakes and ice them with slogans against gay marriage if the spirit so takes him. No-one is impinging on his freedom of religion or conscience.

I'm done with this too.

jingl You seem to be implying that thinking of homosexuality as a sin is a tenet of some people's religion - do you think that Jesus would have preached that it was more important to hate homosexuality than to love your neighbour?
Just asking.

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janeainsworth I guess, for some really deeply believing Christians, what they feel are the tenets of their religion has to go deeper than anything else. I don't believe they were being unkind or lacking in understanding. They simply feel that they cannot go against their beliefs. The person who ordered the cake, however, had no such reasons for the stand they are showing. They believe that all carnal desires, so long as they harm no one else, should be allowed for. Perhaps, but it's hardly got the same ring to it has it?

That's my take on it, and I'm leaving it there.

Agus I don't for one moment believe that this family are potential gay bashers. Shall we keep it a bit sensible?