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Ebola - the best way forward?

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papaoscar Tue 26-Aug-14 13:57:16

This disease is a terrible tragedy for all those affected including aid workers. However, I wonder if it was sensible to return the infected British nurse to the UK with the risk of spreading the infection. I think that it would have been better to let him recover in the country in which he became infected. Also the question of cost comes to mind. Surely it would have been a much more satisfactory use of funds to use them to further medical research rather than just pay for aircraft fuel and UK hospital charges.

durhamjen Wed 27-Aug-14 12:11:49

According to the above link, there is no more ZMapp to treat patients with ebola.

Elegran Wed 27-Aug-14 12:14:12

Is the record in private hospitals any better? Something like Ebola will be treated VERY carefully in a specially designed unit in a NHS hospital.

I hope you reported the unwashed hands. They are supposed to wash them and to take every precaution against cross-infection. If everyone who saw a breach of regulations reported it, crackdowns would follow and infections would be minimised.

Elegran Wed 27-Aug-14 12:20:20

It does not sound to me as though there need be a fight over the truth/not of what JenDurham's recounted. there are big city teaching hospitals and there are smaller provincial ones with fewer facilities or space.

Procedures ought to be the same though, everywhere. In the past it was scrupulous cleanliness that kept infections at bay. With modern chemical cleaners and disinfectants, and antibiotics, and a separation of nursing and cleaning duties, it is easy to think that something is clean enough when that is not clean enough for a hospital.

durhamjen Wed 27-Aug-14 12:21:37

Yes, we did, because they were trying to blame us for the MRSA. My mother had a tracheotomy tube and the MRSA was in the tube. The only people who touched the tube were the nurses, as my mother was not capable of doing it herself by then.
When she got rid of the MRSA the second time, we got her into a nursing home, where, surprisingly, she never got MRSA again.

harrigran Wed 27-Aug-14 12:34:07

I share durhamjen's concern, having seen some inexcusable lack of hygiene in a local hospital. I once visited a relative and there were dirty dressings left on a bed table, I took them to the nurses station and put them into the hands of the sister, her look of horror spoke volumes.

durhamjen Wed 27-Aug-14 12:36:29

I would have loved to have seen that, harrigran. Hope you washed and disinfected your hands afterwards.

durhamjen Wed 27-Aug-14 12:38:27

Haven't seen any reaction to my link about the 120 health workers who have died from Ebola.

Galen Wed 27-Aug-14 13:02:14

At least one of them was elderly.

durhamjen Wed 27-Aug-14 13:32:44

Now off to visit my elderly mother in law in her nursing home and find out which infection she has got this week. Last week it was a urine infection which put her in hospital for a day. The month before she had c-difficile.

Still 120 health workers fewer, whatever age they were, Galen.
And the company making it has no more ZMapp in stock to treat Ebola patients.

Agus Wed 27-Aug-14 14:38:32

What? You posted your mother's experience, I posted my experience as I stated, within two large city hospitals!!

If you think for a minute that I was even implying your mother was a lair jen, that, is in your head only!

All hospitals are different. I worked in a cottage hospital and also in city hospitals and as Galen recounted, mixed diseases occurred on the same wards in small provincial hospitals


HollyDaze Wed 27-Aug-14 15:41:27

We saw nurses going out of her room to deal with other patients without washing their hands.

It isn't just the nurses. When I was in hospital 3 years ago (and had a clear view of the nurses station at the reception area to the ward), I saw one nurse direct a doctor to the hand washing basins (he had been about to walk into one of the side wards) and made him wash his hands. He was about to walk off again and she made him put his hands inside some contraption which shone a light on his hands - she made him wash his hands again. Whatever it was that that light revealed, she had no intention of letting him into any of the wards until his hands were clean enough. When it comes to the spread of infection, my guess is that most of it occurs with the medical teams.