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Russell Brand as future Mayor of London Noooooooooooo !

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NanKate Sun 26-Oct-14 09:32:21

I would rather have someone from the Monster Raving Looney Party.

Ana Sun 16-Nov-14 19:04:01

Yes, I don't see that any sort of disability or handicap prevents someone from being a numpty, or from being called one.

It's a bit precious to think that it's offensive to say anything negative about the personality or leadership qualities of someone who may have mental health issues - and I have a feeling Mr Brand would agree!

Ana Sun 16-Nov-14 19:25:25

I've just looked up 'numpty' on Google, unless I'd somehow missed the fact that it had suddenly become a terrible slur. Apparently it means:

a) Someone who (sometimes unwittingly) by speech or action demonstrates a lack of knowledge or misconception of a particular subject or situation to the amusement of others.

b) A good humoured admonition, a term of endearment

c) A reckless, absent minded or unwise person

annodomini Sun 16-Nov-14 20:20:33

I think 'numpty' originated in Scotland and simply means a fool.

rosequartz Sun 16-Nov-14 21:36:43

Sorry if you find it offensive, carol123 - I didn't even realise he is bi-polar! I have a couple of dear friends who are bi-polar so would not wish to offend by calling them 'numpty' because of that reason.

Surely someone can be called a numpty because of their ideas whether or not they are bi-polar? Am I not allowed to call him daft or a numpty because he has a mental disorder, but presumably am allowed to call someone who has not been diagnosed with a mental disorder a numpty?

I could call Boris a numpty as well and presumably that would be OK! If it is a Scottish word for 'fool' then it is appropriate because Russell intentionally behaves as a fool.

confused

I thought it was an Australian expression for someone who is behaving in a daft manner.

Can't see him as Mayor of London, but did love his violin advert.

rosequartz Sun 16-Nov-14 21:38:33

When I say 'sorry if you find it offensive' I do not mean that as an apology, because I have nothing to apologise for - I'm sorry you are looking for offence where there is none intended carol123

rosequartz Sun 16-Nov-14 21:43:11

ps I would not call my dearest Australian friend who is bi-polar a 'numpty' because she isn't one - ever.

She is not in the slightest bit like RB personality-wise. Being bi-polar does not define your underlying personality.

merlotgran Sun 16-Nov-14 22:34:14

Numpty's nothing. You should hear what my DH calls him. shock

rosequartz Mon 17-Nov-14 10:03:23

I didn't think it was a very bad word, as DD1 calls me that sometimes if I have done something daft! (Must have words with her!!) grin

thatbags Mon 17-Nov-14 12:49:50

It isn't a bad word and it's just too bad if some people object to it. Object away! People are allowed to object to words others use and others are allowed to carry on using those words. It's called freedom. I'm using my freedom here to say that I think it silly to get worked up about a word like numpty. Numpty is quite kind, actually—bit like daft 'a'p'orth (for non-Lancastrian speakers that's an abbreviation of halfpennyworth).

Shakespeare characters called people far worse things.

merlot'sDH, grin

rosequartz Mon 17-Nov-14 18:55:09

Yes, I've called people 'yer daft 'a'porth' as well! And been called one!

thatbags Wed 17-Dec-14 17:07:46

Brand's annoying antics with a megaphone make someone's lunch go cold and that someone is a trifle cross about it. Do read the open letter if only for its entertainment value wink

Eloethan Thu 18-Dec-14 01:08:24

No wonder Russell Brand looked nervous on Question Time the other week. Since expressing some forthright views about the way our current system penalises the poor for being poor and rewards the rich for being greedy, he has been: criticised by The Sun because of his landlord's tax affairs; criticised on Question Time for having the temerity to express anti-establishment views without putting himself forward for political office (the man in the audience who shouted him down was later identified as being the brother of a UKIP councillor), and has generally drawn the wrath of many people, including Johnny Rotten (the rebel who then went on to make butter advertisements).

Now, we have "Jo from Northern Ireland" who, following the incident at RBS, decided to send an open letter to RB, because he was angry that he couldn't get back into his office and his lunch had got cold.

"Jo" wrote that he didn't speak for RBS and that he was not an RBS employee but that he was currently working at RBS. He has apparently now identified himself as Joseph Kynaston Reeves and in LinkedIn he is described as being a "business analyst at First Derivatives for RBS".

It must have taken quite some time, effort and research to compose what followed, which initially masqueraded as friendly ("I like you - but") humour but soon became a character assassination, and a right wing diatribe.

There is a reference to RB having been fired for broadcasting hardcore pornography whilst under the influence of crack. I don't know how true that is but even if there is truth in that statement, a large chunk of our media - newspapers and TV channels - are owned by Richard Desmond whose core business was and still is pornography. Presumably he doesn't even have the excuse of being off his head on drugs. Nevertheless, he is thought respectable enough to have been accepted to run the Health Lottery.

RB is also criticised for his connection to Hollywood studios because "Jo" alleges it is well known that they "cook the books". Surely American actors and actresses who are given positions as "Goodwill Ambassadors", "Peace Envoys", etc., have or have had much closer connections to Hollywood - should they also be expected to hang their heads in shame?

"Jo" then lambasts RB for going on Question Time (it being part of the "establishment") and also takes the opportunity to have a pop at the BBC at the same time: "Although I can't help but notice that you have no qualms about appearing on the BBC in return for money raised through one of the most regressive taxes in the country, a tax which leads to crippling fines and even jail time for thousands of poor people and zero rich people." I think this is pretty rich coming from someone working at RBS which was bailed out by the British public to the tune of £46 billion.

There then follows a justification for bankers' bonuses on the grounds that they are "conditional" and don't have to be given (though it appears they always are paid out, however atrociously the bankers behave and perform). He then says he knows nothing about the recent FX trading scandal or PPI or any of that "shit". Perhaps he preferred not to dwell on that subject in too much depth - or perhaps he really just doesn't get it.

RB is then labelled a "bully" for, from the brief footage I've seen, engaging him in discussion.

This is Russell Brand's reply: www.russellbrand.com/2014/12/8164/

Just as a footnote, I noticed in "The I" today a column in the Business Section entitled "RBS sells loss-making Irish loans for £1.1 billion". RBS is said to have "offloaded" these "risky" assets to an American private equity firm. One wonders why a private equity firm would want to purchase an asset which has apparently made an £800 million loss in the last year. I seem to recall that the financial meltdown happened because toxic loans were "smuggled" into seemingly "sound" financial products. It seems nothing much has changed - and that is what RB is trying to say.

durhamjen Thu 18-Dec-14 23:29:02

At least Russell Brand shows he is for the poor people in London. This would not have happened probably if it wasn't for his notoriety.

www.theguardian.com/society/2014/dec/18/us-investors-set-sell-new-era-estate-london-protests-westbrook

durhamjen Thu 18-Dec-14 23:30:48

Eloethan, you missed out the fact that Desmond has given Ukip £300,000 towards its campaign.

Eloethan Fri 19-Dec-14 23:42:23

That doesn't surprise me - yet another disreputable supporter.

MamaCaz Sun 21-Dec-14 19:57:40

Durhamjen: Have you seen one of Joe Halewoods latest blogs regarding the New Era issue? Worth a read if you haven't, as it casts a very different light on it from that given by the Guardian.

speye.wordpress.com/2014/12/20/new-era-tenants-will-still-see-rents-more-than-double-charity-my-arse/

Though much as I dislike RB, I don't suppose I can blame him for taking it at face value!

Ana Sun 21-Dec-14 20:01:06

Goodness! That certainly does shed a different light on the subject, doesn't it?

durhamjen Sun 21-Dec-14 20:10:44

Thanks, MamaCaz, I hadn't seen that even though the Joe Halewood blog is on my favourites.
The good thing is that New Era have a year to fight it.
I think it's absolutely appalling that rich people try to con others this way. I have always thought that the idea of affordable housing was a big con, 80% of the going rate, and who decides the going rate?
As I said earlier, if it hadn't been for this, the New Era tenants would be looking for new accommodation now, before Christmas, so they were open to anything.
Hopefully in May this year there will be a new government that cares about ordinary people, not just about the rich.
Last week there was a vote in parliament to get rid of the spare room tax. For those of you who think that libdems have changed tack, they voted with the government to keep it.

Eloethan Mon 22-Dec-14 00:29:50

MamaCaz That's what I suspected when, a few posts earlier, I said there were no grounds for complacency since the organisation taking over have given very limited guarantees.

As durhamjen says, the publicity that Russell Brand's involvement has brought to this matter has at least given the tenants more time. But if he behaves as if this is the end of the matter and doesn't continue to at least try to fight for a fairer deal for these tenants, then in my eyes anyway he will lose credibility. He seems genuine and I'm really hoping he maintains his support.