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My daughter is going to 'Unschool' her DD

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Fishandchips Tue 03-Feb-15 18:33:55

Hi - this is my first ever message on this site (if there's a 'new members introduction' section to say 'hello' I'm afraid I didn't spot it).

I just want to let off steam to say how sad and upset I am about my daughter's plan to 'unschool' (her version of home schooling) my little granddaughter, about to turn four years of age. She isn't going to register her for school at all.

My DD is a single parent - with no monetary support from her ex - and has embraced the hippy lifestyle. She has walked away from her career and thinks it is her right to live on benefits. My spouse, myself and extended family members are appalled.

My granddaughter is delightful and recently when she was visiting she saw our neighbour's kids getting onto the school bus. I asked her if she would like to go to school. She replied that she will not be going to school 'because I will be bullied because I am small' - she is tiny for her age and my DD has clearly told her about bullying. sad

As far as my daughter is concerned she is adamant that she doesn't want her daughter to be 'indoctrinated' by 'The System'. My GD has never been put into any kind of routine and in regards to bedtime, she is usually still up after 10pm-11pm and sleeps with her mum.

I googled 'Unschooling' and there was a Daily Mail article (9th Dec 2013) on a family in Scotland where the children don't go to school and 'teach themselves with computer games and life experiences'. This sounds exactly what my daughter plans to do. She told me that in the Steiner - Waldorf schools, children aren't taught to read until they are seven, so she will do this too.

I despair, I really do. I truly believe that my DD is being unreasonable in denying my GD a decent education angrysad

BlackeyedSusan Fri 20-Nov-15 23:06:21

un schooling is just another way of describing education child will still learn just in a diffferent way. children learn absolutely loads through play and talk and visits. especially at four.

children are often taught things very early here in the uk. formal education does not start until seven in many places. children in these places are not behind their peers here. they ofetn learn things quicker as they are ready. many four year old children still can not distinguish sounds, blend or segment when learning to read and it is much better to go at the child's pace and do early reading skills until they can hear the sounds and build words for themselves. (love of language and books, rhyme, rhythm, listening, following print left to right, top to bottom etc)

unschooling is fabulous if done well. you will find it is more likely to meet her needs than the rigidity of the new curriculum which has lost a lot of its flexibility since your dd was at school. this as an ex teacher with own children who have additional needs.

as for the benefits. well.. one can teach a child more in an hour 1:1 than in a day at school. there is very little direct input to individual children as the teacher is spreading themselves out between thirty or more once in key stage two. learning does not have to be in the school day and term time. it can be at weekends. the child needs to be educated but not necessarily during school hours. child care can be used for work time and learning can happen out of work time.

BlackeyedSusan Fri 20-Nov-15 23:09:35

the local authority has no legal mandate to inspect a home educator unless they think that the child is not getting educated. there is no requirement to stick to the national curriculum. there is no requirement to do a specific number of hours as long as the child is learning and receiving a suitable education.

Henryjeo Fri 06-Mar-26 18:08:31

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Jaxjacky Fri 06-Mar-26 18:49:54

Reported

Labradora Fri 06-Mar-26 19:16:21

It always amazes me , apart from cases where children are sort of " special cases" , (no offence perhaps autistic or Special Needs and parents don't want a mainstream school), that anyone would have the temerity to think that they could educate their child to the same standard as a trained, focussed professional.I'd be terrified of disadvantaging my child because of my own incompetence.You'd literally have to have the same amount of focussed available teaching time, on a regular basis, as a professional teacher . What about other demands on one's time ? The household? Work? Other Children ?

Allira Fri 06-Mar-26 19:40:48

Reported again Jaxjacky!

NotSpaghetti Fri 06-Mar-26 19:52:26

I feel we don't know what The mother is thinking.

"Unschooling" as others have said, is hardly possible if the child hasn't been.

Jaxjacky Fri 06-Mar-26 19:57:03

11 year old post

NotSpaghetti Fri 06-Mar-26 22:23:56

Jaxjacky

*11 year old post*

Ha ha!
grin

Maremia Sat 07-Mar-26 07:37:31

ZOMBIE alert!!!!!

eazybee Sat 07-Mar-26 10:29:59

I spotted the date on the original post, 11 years old.

I would be interested to know what happened to that little girl who will now be fifteen.
Fifteen years ago I was on a course which included some Travellers children, talking about their schooling, or lack of it. One girl was deliberately kept away from school by her mother who had hated her schooldays, and in the end it became an outright confrontation between the mother and daughter, who wanted to attend school. She did manage an education of sorts, and was looking to start at a college in an attempt to catch up, with help from social services. She struck me as an intelligent girl who had been deprived of education by her mother, and I sometimes wondered what happened to her.
Sad.

Elrel Sat 07-Mar-26 20:57:25

I understand that some Home Schoolers prefer not to teach children to read before 7. The methods pushed in state schools now put far too much emphasis on testing phonics which are only part of literacy.
However I hope all children get the opportunity to enjoy books, both with family members and alone. Love of books should precede the actual decoding of print.

LizzieDrip Sun 08-Mar-26 11:53:24

I hope BlackeyedSusan wasn’t / isn’t responsible for teaching children how to use capital letters effectively in their writing!

Witzend Mon 09-Mar-26 09:49:19

Other matters aside, I don’t think it’s a bad idea to leave learning to read until 7. From all I’ve ever read or heard, children will be that much more ready for it when they’re a bit older.

Caleo Mon 09-Mar-26 09:58:37

I think you should inform your daughter that not teaching reading until the age of seven means reading from fun books aloud to the little girl so that she learns that reading is fun. The at the age of seven she can gently be introduced to reading for herself if she has not already done so spontaneously.

Applaud your daughter for having the courage of her convictions but at the same time tell her she knows little about child education, and should be guided by the professionals.

Caleo Mon 09-Mar-26 10:03:01

Labradora

It always amazes me , apart from cases where children are sort of " special cases" , (no offence perhaps autistic or Special Needs and parents don't want a mainstream school), that anyone would have the temerity to think that they could educate their child to the same standard as a trained, focussed professional.I'd be terrified of disadvantaging my child because of my own incompetence.You'd literally have to have the same amount of focussed available teaching time, on a regular basis, as a professional teacher . What about other demands on one's time ? The household? Work? Other Children ?

You should get over your amazement, L. Teachers have long known that the ignorant believe that anyone can teach. There is no general know;edge at large about how children learn.

BlueBelle Mon 09-Mar-26 10:10:50

This thread is 11 years old the child is probably out at work by now 🤣🤣🤣

Caleo Mon 09-Mar-26 10:36:59

Does that matter, BlueBelle? It is an interesting topic especially the general attitude that Lathyrus referred to.

Jaxjacky Mon 09-Mar-26 10:37:07

I tried BlueBelle 😏

silverlining48 Mon 09-Mar-26 13:09:02

Children in most of Europe don’t start school until they are 7. Before then they go to Kindergarten where play and socialisation with others is at the forefront. Learning to read comes later.
( yes I know this is a very old thread but thought it interesting that childcare in Europe is so much better organised costing families very little compared to costs here in the uk. )

theworriedwell Mon 09-Mar-26 13:14:21

Mishap

I am not sure that is right. I know people who home school and they submit their plans to the LA. I would not say that the inspection process is faultless, but it is definitely there.

I home schooled for six years. Never had as much as a phone call from the LA.

Sallywally1 Sun 12-Apr-26 19:24:38

I am not a teacher, but as I understand it your daughter will still have to follow the national curriculum and will be regularly monitored by the local authority. And what about the little girls social education, ,making friends and mixing with other children from all sorts of backgrounds, a lesson for adult life.

Sallywally1 Sun 12-Apr-26 19:26:18

I’ve just seen this is an old thread. I would be interested to know how the child is now?

Rocketstop2 Sun 12-Apr-26 19:30:14

Hello Fishandchips,
I just wanted to say hello and welcome to this forum.Hope you find some answers and support here.

Grammaretto Sun 12-Apr-26 19:37:36

Me too. Where are you now little child?

About that same time, a friend left her DH and thought she could still receive state benefits so she could continue to Home school her 2 DC and go out to work.
The State said No, there are perfectly good schools for her DC.
After saying how unfair it was, the children were sent to a small RC school and the mother waxed lyrical about it!

Those DC are almost grown up now and have managed to navigate the world and their rather wacky parents.

Children can be quite resilient, and they are well loved.