to want HATE campaigns against foreigners in the popular Press to stop...

Elegran, it's logical to assume that if there is a question mark, I am asking a question, is it not?

Our old friend obieone often said that she didn't understand what a poster meant, and asked for clarification. She usually received a patient explanation from the poster.

But when someone does an extrapolation from a definite opinion and infers something that is very long way from what has been posted (and implies that the poster is somehow very much in the wrong for thinking what is being imputed to them) then that is not asking for an explanation, it is using diversionary tactics to send the debate toward discrediting the poster.

The committee on hate crime is starting to meet today, at the same time as the trial against Jo Cox's murderer is starting.
I assume some of these people will be seen by the hate crime committee, chaired by Yvette Cooper.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/14/bigots-hate-brexit-migrants-uk-eu-attacks-referendum

Elegran 'No, you are indicating that you are assuming that they mean what you would like them to have meant, despite them having already explained it.' - this is exactly what you are doing now, re what dj meant- can't you see? Oh the irony.

Elegran, there has been a lot of diversion on here, which is why I put the above post on, to get back to the subject of hate crime.

"I think you'll find, jalima, that POGS and bags are pastmasters at drawing fine lines between what they say they mean and what some of us think they mean."

I think you will find, durhamjen, that the latest diversion began with that post of yours. I was only here because I found my name mentioned along with those two posters and decided to add my thoughts on understanding/ misconstruing the meaning of posts. I shall leave now and let the discussion return to the point.

Elegran, it's logical to assume that if there is a question mark, I am asking a question, is it not?
Well, of course, djen, you could be using the Australian intonation, where one never knows whether it's a question or a statement and never know whether to answer or not?

Why are you all so happy to defend such things because it's 'free speech'
I am not defending any publication, rather pointing out the hypocrisy of Lego and the double standards applied.
Duplicitous, yes Ginny42.

A lot of us know exactly what Elegran was saying, and meant. Very well described, actually. Of course you will refuse to see that, granjura!

Perhaps it's just me, that I don't think a statement normally start with the word 'why' ! intonation or no intonation.

Why! Bless me! I think there might be exceptions, gj

Although, actually, you haven't said you do not agree with me, have you?
I can't find why in that sentence/question but perhaps I am misreading it.

Sometimes a question can be rhetorical - to make a point.

Ah- but where is the problem with that clear question, as it has a clear ?at the end, clearly making it a question.

I was thinking about that one, acutally ' Why are you all so happy to defend such things because it's 'free speech' and yet turn on someone for giving their opinion on a forum?' by Tegan- even if she had forgotten the ? - it would still very clearly be a question.

thatbags, I am rattling my little brains here- can you give an example of a sentence that begins with 'why' and is not a question. Why on its own is not a sentence, is it?

Oh, you mean like someone accusing POGS of being something she is patently not from all her posts because she said she read a certain publication?

I do hope that is not someone else who has been bullied off.

ps the above was a rhetorical question btw

hear hear Jalima

I think POGS is made of sterner stuff, but the accusation was disgraceful!

Jalima, Ceesnan realised that was a question and answered it. She said she didn't agree with me.
Did you miss it.

POGS hasn't been bullied off before. Why would she leave now?
She likes the sparring. She will be back later with a very long post.

Just realised I missed a question mark off there.
Can you spot the undeliberate error?

By returning your Lego you are implying you support a newspaper that prints racist articles on its front page. You wrote that yesterday durhamjen, and when tackled insisted that you hadn't meant what people thought.

You are right, gj. I was illustrating the general use of "why". Sorry if that wasn't clear. I thought the might have indicated the light, not unfriendly teasingness of my comment.

That,s what the was meant to do anyroad. Bloody uncooperative emojis! ?

I meant exactly what that sentence says, Ceesnan. It does not say that POGS is racist, does it?

Can someone bring me up to date, please? CBA to read all the stuff in between.

Did a gransnetter return some Lego because the Lego company pulled its offer out of the DM?

Why I answered durhamjen's question is for me to wonder about. A sentence starting with 'why' and is not a question!, could we have a smug emoticon please?